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THIS, emphatically, THIS!!!

This game has a centrally unique trait that deserve enormous amounts of attention: the parent-child connection.

He has the resources to wield the differential equations that surround this central premise. He's able to direct birth rates and characterize life outcomes.

But even further:
What does Jason want to tell the world about being a parent? What conditions make that feeling exist? How can folks get a taste in 60 minutes? Is sharing his experience worth his effort?

The Main page says the current arc has been going for 2271 years in-game, or nearly 38 hours irl.

in Vs 279, Pump jacks don't seem worth the investment at all.

1 pump jack = 11 crude oil (on average)
=~66 Kerosene uses
=~8,000 food when using compost very efficiently (one kerosene can give about 6 iron OR just 7 buckets)
=~10 unclothed living hours
=~15 minutes on the main server which averages ~40-players

If all people are perfectly warm, multiply that by 5.
If eating mainly berries, cut that by multiplying by 1/2
If all people are eating mainly milk, multiply instead by 6.

These, of course, are rough approximations of the 'perfectly efficient play' numbers as I understand them.

I'm hesitant to put in the work to produce a full google spreadsheet of the current meta since its so prone to volatile changes from the dev.

Water used to be 3,500 times cheaper in terms of the iron trade off before Kerosene became limited in this latest update.

We could move the compost talk to another thread if you want, but I think I've found a way to show what I mean.

I created a page in the plotter called "Copy of Compost Cycle (became exploring)"
I've laid out a few possible ways to iterate (in addition to solving directly) and find the multiplier that accounts for compost soil cost per crop soil

I think the issue was that you'd applied the compost efficiency to crop efficiency;
It's hard for me to wrap my head around but I think the multiplier you iterated for meant:
for each basket of soil *ratio* goes to compost AND *same ratio* of the crops is lost upon harvest

I think we agree that the iterations should illustrate the left side of the equation, and the useful result should be the right side

Again, I’m impressed by this work. Its very thorough and displayed nicely.
That said, I think I caught a few small mistakes in the efficiency plotter:



It looks like carrot should have no D. Seed replant, while cabbage should. (From my understanding, ‘replant’ means using the hardened row or bush left after harvest?) 
On the same vein, it seems like most compound foods (except wheat-only foods) should have a replant strategy.



Also for compound foods, it looks like the seed cost if off. I get that you’re counting the entire batch as one all-inclusive seed, but you missed a -1 on their food stats page then. For example:

carrot S7 = F13/F16

carrot pie s7 = F13/1
carrot pie F13 = 4/5*Z15/$AC15+1/1*Z14/$AC14 from the food stats page
Should be 4/5*Z15/($AC15-1)+1/1*Z14/$AC14

The rest has to do with the Compost Cycle page, and only has a tiny effect on the soil, water, and iron used.

E35 counts 4 carrots instead of 2:

,(2*2/5*’Compost Cycle'!$E$27+

E23 and F23 also are missing the -1 for seeds:
Should be replant cost + seedResources/(numSeed-1)


The “replant” compost strategy only differs in that it uses wild seed, and the “fresh” strategies already assume replanting.

I’m confused why you allow all the compost strategies to iterate using the “replant/wild seed” soil efficiency
*( 1 / ( 1 - MIN( 'Efficiency Plotter (Main)'!$AF15:$AH15 ) )


I’m also confused why the soil cost multiplier isn’t
*(1+'Efficiency Plotter (Main)’!$AH15 )found where the similarity is in our aproaches; 1/(1-x) = 1+ [x/(1-x)] for x=/=1
1 - %eff =3.18/17.82 = 1/(1-(3.18/21)) - 1
Because ‘Efficiency Plotter (Main)’!$AH15 to me means the extra soil needed for compost per soil


I’m basically confused by the iteration and multiplier strategy in general;
I’m used to treating compost as a water and iron-only cost:

4.18 water + .0244 shovel + 2.53 till = 17.82 soil
So I’d treat 2xT bread on the main page to cost 1 soil in all cases.

if composting, the soil remains 1 but the water becomes 2 + 1*4.18/17.82)))



All in all, its neat to see a different viewpoint and I could use some help understanding the way you model compost

What are your thoughts on displaying the the mutton pie food and skin bonus with the compost strategy?
Maybe also the byproducts straw/dung from wheat products/cooked mutton?

and from the Taco/Burrito thread:

I, like many, am a fan of Ferna's infographics, and how they reason about food in general.

I'm just wondering where the numbers are coming from, since they differ from what I'd reasoned. And the numbers NoTruePunk  had added on the wiki don't agree with either of us! It's unnerving for me that we've all come up with different answers to the same numerical question.

Updated with recent (minor) changes v206.

Reminder this is looking at ideal cases, so still feeding lambs instead of shorn sheep.

listening for if I got it wrong; can't play test any time soon.
*also discord is noting a bug with the backpack adding more than 5% ins

Warmth and Yum are the only contributors to Fertility currently.
more specifically,

Warmth:
0 when freezing or burning, to 0.5 when perfectly middle temperature

Yum:
The length of the yum chain (eating two small foods at yum 10 and 11 counts as 11, not 21)
0 when you have no yum, to 0.5 when you have the highest yum chain on the server at the time.

Fertility:
When a new player logs on, all potential mothers (of age and not on birth cool down) are competing options. If you have no yum and are at a temperature extreme, you will have 0 chance for a kid. Your warmth and yum will increase the chance that the kid will be yours. When other mothers increase their warmth and yum, it will decrease your fertility.

Y'all are crusaders!

For me, I don't think I can argue one way or another unless labor costs could be quantified;
comparing the Yum at which each food finally beats mutton pies is easy in terms of resources, but those resources don't mean anything without the context of labor.
I know I feel like my lives are less productive when I work to build up my yum, but I can't prove it. (granted I rarely pass 10 before giving up)

(also, fair warning I'll be changing the iron #'s in response to the upcoming shovel changes)

bowl of turkey broth or sulfuric acid, or kerosene?

Pushing the bottom up should give the game better appraisal from the large casual community. - and won't bother the hard core players, either, I think.

Warmth cannot be the afk mechanic so long as it also gives women babies. (tried this once. it was an awkward time)

Remind people in and out of game:
"go eat from far"

and Wild berries near camp are as bitter as the babies they starve.