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#1 2021-09-23 04:58:22

JasonZ
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How did the combat become so shit

I miss just being able to stab people.

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#2 2021-09-23 05:09:03

fug
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Re: How did the combat become so shit

Basically Jason figured a butter knife weapon existing was better than having a skill based combat. He decided a big he had two fix twice (both on his vacation time) was prime content and refused to budge on nerfing the sword until being shown video proof of why the sword was an absolute menace to the game.

His conclusion was that being able to click people was the problem and not zero cool down weapons (which were phased out in earlier patches) instead of the sword. 60 second cooldown weapons were fine. Sure it was annoying when noobs attacked you without thinking but damn would I rather be able to remove a problem instead of praying to god or the afk guy on the fire to fix things.


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#3 2021-09-23 06:26:25

JasonZ
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Re: How did the combat become so shit

fug wrote:

Basically Jason figured a butter knife weapon existing was better than having a skill based combat. He decided a big he had two fix twice (both on his vacation time) was prime content and refused to budge on nerfing the sword until being shown video proof of why the sword was an absolute menace to the game.

His conclusion was that being able to click people was the problem and not zero cool down weapons (which were phased out in earlier patches) instead of the sword. 60 second cooldown weapons were fine. Sure it was annoying when noobs attacked you without thinking but damn would I rather be able to remove a problem instead of praying to god or the afk guy on the fire to fix things.



The old system of clicking people with cooldown was much better in hindsight. Imo the game would've been better with that plus the current curse mechanic. I know Jason's pretty much got his head in the clouds but I don't get how he thought this current system was supposed to solve any issues.

At this point i'm wondering if anyones made a clear time line of all Jasons fuck ups.

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#4 2021-09-23 21:19:12

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Re: How did the combat become so shit

Current system is supposed to solve issues by having a """good""" player decide to remove issues. The game assumes someone who can afk by a fire is able to play the game and deal with people are being disruptive.

Old system I would just deal with trolls and problems whenever they showed up in town. Now I just suicide as unless I've lived a 20 minute life recently, not had someone follow my leader, and prayed to Jebus I can't deal with the situation.

A strong curse system + old system would be a much better solution in my opinion as well. PVP died for the sins of the sword and Jason's lack of giving us ever a reason to ever have conflict with other families which is a huge design flaw of the game. Racial restrictions are honestly the inverse of how restrictions should play out as they encourage needing all four families or lower game population which is counterintuitive. If I ever see the game population around 30~ I know it's better to not play to make the game more playable for others which is frankly dumb as shit.

Node types should be family locked like well springs which either forces you to be charitable or forces you to need to claim the resource via force from other towns. Of course, this doesn't solve everyone playing cooperatively but at least gives value towards conflict with others.


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#5 2021-09-24 05:11:11

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Re: How did the combat become so shit

I think the leadership system and posse system for killing better than the older systems (all of them).  You don't have the stupid killing over petty shit, or as many plain jerks who simply don't want to play a multiplayer survival game and thus end the life of other characters.  Instead they tend to whine on reddit or discord or in a post like this these days about the game needing more senseless killing which shows how little they have always cared about civilization building, parenting, and multiplayer survival.  When I think about it, their level of honesty seems as about as good as Mr. Rohrer's since they play a game designed for one purpose and want to go around thwarting that purpose for other people intentionally and easily. 

A story I remember since the changes was some villager coming to me when I was leader saying that someone was running around with a knife trying to stab people.  I was like so what?  He/she can't do anything.  Just ignore them.  And I didn't exile that person, as all they had done was make a bunch of sounds that had stupidly distracted other players, unlike how in the old days someone innocent would have gotten killed by such a jerk.  That was *not* better.  It was worse, since players who didn't want to play a multiplayer survival game of civilization building and parenting would *more often* ruin it for players who wanted to play a multiplayer survival game of civilization building and parenting or make their experience worse.

I do agree with fug that removing bad apples is potentially bad with the current leadership system, but I didn't see it.  I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but just that I haven't seen it.  And yeah, the leadership system based on genetic score has it's flaws, since genetic score is just too darn flawed in how it plays out.

Oh yea... and again, so what you miss being able to stab people JasonZ?

That has zero to do with civilization building, parenting, and multiplayer survival when stated like that at least.  Stabbing would need justified, and you haven't provided any, and don't have any interest in such so far as I can tell.  Go play a game where players playing supposedly have agreed to play a combative game, instead of one where people expect others to play a multiplayer survival game (meaning people are trying to get or wanting others to survive), parenting, and/or civilization building game.

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#6 2021-09-24 05:20:29

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Re: How did the combat become so shit

Oh, I also agree with fug that the curse system for the game isn't powerful enough.

I mean, Jason has talked about the game needing a "death penalty", since in the real world all penaliziation systems ultimately have that sort of backing.  But, there is no real correlate for this game and never has been, since there is no permanent banning of people from the game, or permanent removal of anyone/any accounts to DonkeyTown.

And again JasonZ, if you want to just go around stabbing people and have tried to do that, then you deserve permanent removal to DonkeyTown or banishment from the game permanently.  Innocent people just looking to do things constructively shouldn't fall victim to your destructive tendencies.

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#7 2021-09-25 01:02:20

JasonZ
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Re: How did the combat become so shit

Spoonwood wrote:

Oh, I also agree with fug that the curse system for the game isn't powerful enough.

I mean, Jason has talked about the game needing a "death penalty", since in the real world all penaliziation systems ultimately have that sort of backing.  But, there is no real correlate for this game and never has been, since there is no permanent banning of people from the game, or permanent removal of anyone/any accounts to DonkeyTown.

And again JasonZ, if you want to just go around stabbing people and have tried to do that, then you deserve permanent removal to DonkeyTown or banishment from the game permanently.  Innocent people just looking to do things constructively shouldn't fall victim to your destructive tendencies.



You are making lot's of assumptions.


I love that you think I just want to go around killing everyone, Rather then just the troll's luring armies of bears into town. Similar to irl, The strength of democracy can also be it's weakness. It is very difficult to stab any innocents which I agree is a good thing but not  at the expense of the guilty getting away with it. As it stands, Trolls have ways of circumventing the system such as luring bears.

Troll's aren't really beholden to these rules as long as they are able to grief without directly killing people.

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#8 2021-09-30 09:19:32

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Re: How did the combat become so shit

Spoonwood wrote:

as all they had done was make a bunch of sounds that had stupidly distracted other players, unlike how in the old days someone innocent would have gotten killed by such a jerk.

In the old days many people were wearing red cross aprons to heal good people and kill bad people. It was fun. Current system is so boring. Whole game is boring, no wonder it's dying so fast.


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#9 2021-09-30 14:32:43

arkajalka
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Re: How did the combat become so shit

like it how you people are still discussing about how this game could be improved when there hasnt been any update for almost a year.


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#10 2021-10-02 17:32:34

Arcurus
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Re: How did the combat become so shit

arkajalka wrote:

like it how you people are still discussing about how this game could be improved when there hasnt been any update for almost a year.

Its open source, so everyone can make an update. The hard part is more to bring enough players to join...

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#11 2021-10-03 06:34:52

arkajalka
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Re: How did the combat become so shit

Yap. The thing i dont get is that Jason has several people this dedicated to his game and he just gonna abadon that. Like you dont get  this level of commitment that often. You should cherish it.


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#12 2021-10-03 10:53:24

Arcurus
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Re: How did the combat become so shit

arkajalka wrote:

Yap. The thing i dont get is that Jason has several people this dedicated to his game and he just gonna abadon that. Like you dont get  this level of commitment that often. You should cherish it.

The last thing I heard from Jason was the he still wants to continue with updating OHOL after his house stuff is done...
But better ask him yourself...

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#13 2021-10-11 14:07:33

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Re: How did the combat become so shit

I just hope the game gets better, I don't have much time in the game but I want to learn and have tons of fun with the game.

Hopefully, Jason gets everything figured out and can start updating again maybe removing some of the bad systems and features to replace them with better ones.

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