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#1 2019-09-30 10:31:57

pein
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Mini guide: New pen meta 4.0 livestock pens

I wasn't fond of fences used as pens as they look ugly, they also decay, so if the tow goes inactive, it will let the sheep out

The new fence boxes are solving this issue, you can place sledges on top of fences and act as a container, you can let them decay, the boxes still hold up, and keep the sheep inside, also make it easier to store meat and fleece
you still got to take out the bones so at least 2 entrances

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it's still a bit ugly, especially on corners so i would advise to make the corner exits with pillars
you can make half walls with adobe, rest fences, then upgrade and plaster them later
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you can also place loom oil distiller, bell tower, cistern, sign or oven there
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some of them are vulnerable to griefing but such as fences if timed right

the other option is a treeline strategically planted as a pen, then fences under it (it covers on top and some trees on sides)
it takes an hour to grow and an hour to decay for fences, and you make the bottom as boxes
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i would suggest poplar on sides, maybe maple on top
they can be cut down but now is much harder to do so since they are hungry work except pine
the griefer proof method would be mango trees, as they can't be cut if you collect the mango and just dump soil without watering them
only issue with mango is that you can kill cows with it which can be bad if you only got one of it
as you see the reverse V shape with one bush on middle of the pen works as entrance/exit
also, it's extendable, while corners aren't
and you only need one entrance for oven/taking in some sheep food, taking out the fleece
and one exit for the bones to dump

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if they decay (actually it looks better if they do) you can just convert them to chests, they can be still taken with a shaft but it's a bit safer
the ultimate solution would be to lock it up with the same key, they can be accidentally closed so you need to open them but you can use locked boxes in open state

the one downside is the requirement for boards and shafts, but planting trees (pine for firewood and maple for shafts) should be more common anyway

Other than that? Just be creative

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#2 2019-10-05 12:48:29

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Re: Mini guide: New pen meta 4.0 livestock pens

Make the fences and plant the trees

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once the fences are set, drag the sledges on it
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Soon it grows out and you can get sheep inside, and let the fences decay
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#3 2019-10-05 23:59:54

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Re: Mini guide: New pen meta 4.0 livestock pens

why would you not just make boxes there instead of whole fence box thing

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#4 2019-10-06 00:20:50

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Re: Mini guide: New pen meta 4.0 livestock pens

This reminds me of the days when I made tree and box pens, and then had the idea taken up by two people who made their own towns (after joining me in mine for a while).

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#5 2019-10-06 01:58:57

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Re: Mini guide: New pen meta 4.0 livestock pens

it costs 6 ropes for the 6 boxes
plus ideally you got a horse cart and a normal cart for the city

making a tiny fence pen can get you sheep fast then you make a lot more value having a horse

this is a more advanced pen, you need shears, water source, soil to make it, and you got to finish watering the new trees before you hit 30, ideally in 10 min after birth, then 30 min later you can make sure it grows be that 40 or 58 year old

fences are already present, then you can plant around it or inside it
but generally gonna be a 2 man project or 2 life project

The front fences are there, so they don't cover, and upgradeable one by one, while it function properly, if you do straight up boxes, you need to enclose the pen to be useable.
They also need 20 min to stabilize and allow sledges to be put on them. Its safer, it cannot be removed. In meanwhile, you can gather butt logs, plant milkweed, make a floor and put oven on it. You can do it one by one instead of rushing it.
also, the shape will help other to realize what it is, and a highly optimized oven to cook mutton pies or straight up meat.

Spoon: public servers are different, you can do whatever meme setup on other servers alone, main server needs to be griefer proof. A lot of things can come up, famine, attackers, thieves.

The rift gives the opportunity to go back to previous places and finish such projects, but 1 hour after your initial watering, its fully done, if you leave sheep food inside it, people will know what is the deal with it.

You can also control the size choosing a big flat spot without any blocking tiles, then continue 2 directions until you got less than 5-10 min to turn 30 old. Then finish the 3 sides, and water it again in 30 min. This ensures it will grow without asking anyone. You can put 1-2 boxes and the oven or do whatever later. Ask a kid to take sheep inside once they grew out (10-30 min after your death)


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#6 2019-10-07 14:50:18

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Re: Mini guide: New pen meta 4.0 livestock pens

pein wrote:

Spoon: public servers are different, you can do whatever meme setup on other servers alone, main server needs to be griefer proof. A lot of things can come up, famine, attackers, thieves.

I always played on a public server.  I think you mean bigserver2.  Also, I did have griefing problems in a few of my towns.  But, I never had a problem with famine.

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#7 2020-01-02 19:56:18

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Re: Mini guide: New pen meta 4.0 livestock pens

I had someone who started up on the low population server that I usually (though not always) play on who had some questions about pens.  I referred her to this guide.  She setup the vast majority of the first type of tree and box pen, and someone else made an oven with a berry bush on top of it.  I can now confirm that the first tree and box pen works fine.

My tree and box pens usually have had corner entrances with a box functioning as a corner, and not necessarily an oven near the pen, sometimes kilns lie near them.  I've usually layed out ropes and then transported boards there, but that probably wouldn't work in the large population context since ropes would be likely to disappear.  I'm not sure that butt logs or boards would work either in the large population context.

I think the center entrance design has an advantage over the corner entrance design in that if the pen is initially a property fence pen with a center entrance (that it needs a top entrance isn't something I'm convinced of) can probably easily get redesigned.  Like, let's imagine that the pen had property fences instead of poplars in this picture: https://i.imgur.com/UPDi7Ms.png and the loom isn't there and the top row of crops aren't either (or they get moved).  Then we could grow all around the property fences and more to connect to the lower boxes.  Then the pen could naturally expand a bit in size and become more useful potentially in saving time running for branches.

That all said, a tree pen like that takes over two buckets of water to make, so that's something to consider also.

P. S. For anyone talking about the date of this post, please note that Pein is still around, and has this referenced in his signature.  I'm also commenting here to confirm that I've seen that a particular design does appear to keep animals inside of the penned area.

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#8 2020-01-03 01:59:11

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Re: Mini guide: New pen meta 4.0 livestock pens

yes, center entrance is better to expand later on but maybe you need to make it smaller initially, so you can get a square later on (better ratio on free tiles for resources)

not much changed, grape as corners probably much better, since people eat the berries on corners and quite hard to get soil there each  corner, no one does it so it dies out anyway
while grapes cannot be removed and allow walk trough it

the newest one is way stones since you can walk trough them now

since the prop fences take 2 hours to decay, I really not like surrounding them
within 5 minutes (I became an elder at 55 and 60 I died) I had to get help and we removed like 6 fences only
best is to start a proper fence inside the old pen, capture the mouflon or one sheep, put a box in both sides where you cross the old fence, then  continue on the other side of it, like a Venn diagram.
Then the people potentially aren't dumb to repair the old one (once I offset it with one tile and they put a gate and still repaired 3 fences so that might be te case always)

best to just build a tiny fence pen further and then make the proper new one closer

putting sledges on prop fences is still the best way to remove them, people don't generally fix them

the cost of tree pen is quite high now with the water nerfs but you can easily get water from further away
the other risk is that people are lazy to go further and they cut the sides for firewood
happened on end of the rift, where the pen was there before the well was upgraded, and then people cut it and put a dumb stone building in it's place


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#9 2020-01-03 10:10:17

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Re: Mini guide: New pen meta 4.0 livestock pens

pein wrote:

... not much changed, grape as corners probably much better ...

A pen that requires a newcomen multipurpose engine to make.  Though, yeah, crops getting used up on pen corner is a serious enough issue.

There's a town by the Tarr monument on the server I'm usually on.  They made a building with a door in the middle of the top wall, and an oven directly below it.  There's a sheep pen above that door, and I don't think the sheep are getting out, and the door can get walked through (might be a springy door, I don't recall).  There's a corner entrance to that pen also.

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#10 2020-01-15 05:29:13

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Re: Mini guide: New pen meta 4.0 livestock pens

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the town had a fenced pen quite far from the berries and a pine building in a bad location since it overlapped with the new adobe building

so I cut it out, like 7 walls, and carried the rest of resources to the right

made 2 paper and 4 stone block

made this small pen
since I was smithing, making my pack and making like 8 plaster, had only a bit of time
it's a tiny bit small but it shows the tech well

basically the way stones can be walked trough now so it's kinda better than bushes
the diagonal design is square, can be extended (tho with pine is a bit of waste)
you can leave messages like
"don't shear last sheep"
"always feed lambs"
"always clean out the pen"

or something you want to share with people
either you need multiple papers or a rubber ball
since we had no rubber, I just used the same paper to make way stones which can be weird
but with hetuw it just overwrites the last way stone so won't trouble them if click all of them

you could also add iron mine, next wells or special biome coordinates but it takes time

it can be destroyed but won't decay
extending is simple, just add 2 more stones (all tech uses 2 stones except the apoc tower stones)
then just continue 2 sides, and close up again, move the walls or make new

I also forgot to floor under it, it would be possible, doors aren't needed really, and would lock people inside

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#11 Today 15:42:01

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Re: Mini guide: New pen meta 4.0 livestock pens

the fenced method receives a buff next update since you can put boxes on decaying fences, that means you should not repair it but use boxes on it

tables are cheaper since no rope required for them but still a lott of resources early

planting pine with maple trees can speed that up


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