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Hmmm...
You were killed by Fenix Stark, who was killed by Davis Ginger II.
Fenix Stark also killed Sia Stark.
Your brother was killed by Ada Stark, who was also killed by Davis Ginger II.
Your uncle was killed by Fenix Stark, like you.
Not Stark related, Amalie Ginger and Ivan Ginger were killed by Leon Radish and Red Ginger II. Leon Radish has been murdered, don't know by whom yet, and Ivan was killed by Red Ginger II who was killed by the same Fenix Stark who killed you and who is dead.

Fenix Stark killed quite a few people in your aunt's line as well. It looks like most of the carnage lies on the shoulders of a few Starks.

How much innocent blood would you need to flow before your thirst for vengeance is satiated...?

Looks like the Stark murderer was killing her own family as well.

http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=4788875

My advice would be - if in doubt, don't do it.

If it feels wrong, don't do it.

If it feels right, do.

But if you do it, own it in the sense that you should make sure you'll be fine with consequences. Some may kill you as a baby or curse you if they find out. That too is part of the game, just as the ability to slay villages is part of the game.

And if the point of the game is to emulate the real world, then there is such a thing as war crimes in the real world.

You're supposed to get one life back each hour if you're below 12.

Irony and the Internet is not a match made in heaven

@Chaos4Horseman,

there seems to be a few things to untangle in your arguments.

First, good ideas about how to add some value to strangers. I'm all for, hopefully Jason does something about it.

But now to the idea that "people" don't care about attempts of redemption and that one might as well be a griefer:

Let's make a few assumptions first.

1. Everybody is the center of their own universe. They can't not be. It's "me", the person I have full knowledge of (sort of), and "you"/"everyone else" who I can make assumptions about, but only after I see what they do or listen to what they say. Or I can make assumption about them based on what I think I know about someone else who are like them in some way.

2. Every villain is a hero (albeit sometimes a tragic one) in their own eyes. Every villain has some form of explanation that redeems them in their own eyes.

3. This is just a game.

In the game, as we have already talked about, letting strangers live is a risk. Strangers have one ability only that family does not have, and that is the ability to wage war. This means that somewhere down the line, if you let a stranger live, their descendants might kill your descendants. By eradicating them, you have made your town safer.

Personally, I think that "my mother told me to do it" is a valid RP reason. However, if you find a village, there is still tens or even hundreds of hours of work gone into building that village. The people you kill might be in the middle of a project that they think is fun. When you end it, it is hard for them not to conceive you as a griefer.

Now, just like having strangers around is a risk, having griefers around is also a risk. If it is okay to eradicate a village just to be safe, then it should also be okay to kill a baby you believe is a griefer just to be safe. It's the same argument.

I believe (not knowing anything about you, just assuming based on my (certainly limited) knowledge of human beings), that the only reason this feels different to you is because in the act of slaying a village, you were not the victim, and so you have no incentive to try to understand the victims. In the act of baby killing you were the victim, and so it feels wrong to you that others didn't make an attempt to understand you.

The thing to remember in all of this is that it is just a game. Whether you choose to be someone who ends other people's fun (a griefer) or a decent person who tries to have fun with other people instead, that is up to you. You're not hurting anyone's bodies or souls. All your choices will result in is that perhaps someone you interact with will decide that this is not the game for them, and leave.

However, do not fool yourself into thinking that "other people deserve" a certain form of behavior from you. In the long run that way of thinking will only harm you. It's not about them. It's about you. What kind of person do you want to be?

You see, whether people accept someone's attempt of redemption or not is irrelevant. Redemption does not come through other people. It comes through you. If you know what to do, and you do it, and you don't receive the acknowledgement you deserve - you still knew what to do. You still did what you had to do. That's a win. Don't let anyone else bring you down. Acknowledgement is nice and all, but it doesn't beat being the person you want to be and the confidence that follows.

Problem: Some of the characters look almost identical when they grow old, which means that if we're not careful our babies die!

https://youtu.be/y3rPmkjUyxY (soundtrack)

Problem: There are no real non-lethal ways to deal with griefers. Once you kill a griefer, you're vulnerable to being cursed, because field of view in the game (without mods) is too limited to ever reliably know what's going on and who to blame.

Pein said:

Alec writes:

With a non-lethal way to deal with the griefer, we could then get other villagers to help decide the fate of the griefer.

Jason, we're discussing griefing (again) in this thread, Tarr's reply is from here:

https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6917

Hm... I don't watch all his videos, so I'm not sure. There was one time before I bought the game where his mother told him to kill a different family, so he tried to start a war. He did apologize and say it wasn't something he wanted to do on a regular basis though, IIRC.

My impression is that he's good at getting rid of griefers (better than me, certainly), but that overall he plays peacefully.

I suppose the last suspicious title was "They were so nice to me, but I brought death to their city", and I yeah, it's one of the videos I've skipped. I'll go watch it now

Griefing periodically makes me fall out of love with the game, and I take long breaks. Which is good in and of itself I suppose, since I do have other things to spend my time on.

What brings me back is Twisted's videos and Jason's weekly updates. Twisted reminds me of all the good guys in OHOL. Jason keeps me curious about what's new. I have a few updates I'm eagerly waiting for (storage update especially) (I really love the slot box), and it's fascinating to see the game evolve even if I'm not playing.

But then at some point I've had enough of griefing again and leave, and the cycle continues.

It's almost like an abusive relationship at this point

I've made one observation that might just apply to me, but maybe others feel the same way. I do love this game. It's innovative and intriguing. But I don't recommend it to anyone. I tell them that I'm hooked the times I'm hooked, but I never say things like "you should try it yourself!" With Minecraft, I ended up buying the game as a present to a friend, and we have bought accounts for everyone in my family. I'm not buying OHOL for anyone else. The reason is that griefing is too detrimental of an experience for me to want to share it with people I care about.

In one life there was this kid who complained that the town was boring. And I thought: No, I love this. I love towns where nothing happens. It's the only places after all where I get to choose my own projects. Where certain tasks or actions are not imposed on me. I gave him a few things to do, and he helped me, and while he kept complaining he never griefed. At the end of my life I think he showed me something he found lovely - a flower probably. What a sweet guy. I love how he stuck with it and didn't grief or die, enabling us to share a moment of appreciation at the end.

I do like the occasional fence box.

Reasons I can think of why they're not in more use...

- Requires a lot of milkweed
- Griefing opportunity 1: Place a long shaft on it to let animals out
- Griefing opportunity 2: Create a locked box