Early Game From the Pie Lineage

Spoonwood · 2020-02-06 07:14:57

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I was Pooyah Pie, son of Eve. I got birthed to my mom with my sisters and myself getting raised near some onions. Mom tried to raise every child so far I could tell, and didn't seem to have a good handle that she would need to run a lot for that to even be thinkable as a possibility if she wanted to live to old age (and, in my estimate, she probably couldn't do much to help start up a new settlement starting from scratch if she wanted to do much more than eat, run, and feed children). When I saw the notification that she had died at a young age via the Hetuw mod, I didn't feel surprised.

I think I had a genetic score of like 14 or so, largely a hangover from my score tanking from 33 score to 8 immediately after playing as Eve Volek and then rising to around 11 after my relevant relatives had lived, and another improvement in the next life on bs2 last week. If I recall correctly, I had 6 tool slots.

What I did was as soon as I reached three (might have left slightly before three) was run away from her as soon as I could, and more or less go with the baby Eve strategy. But, since I was a boy it wasn't like I immediately made the three primary items (fire bow drill, rabbit snare, stone hatchet) as soon as I could, but instead delayed getting all three of those items into a basket until I found my sisters. I tried to avoid starting a fire to start up blacksmithing, and somehow managed to do so. I did run out of tool slots though, as I recall, having cooked a rabbit on hot coals, used tongs, covered the forge, sewed up bellows, used the stone hatchet to chop kindling, and used the smithing hammer I made.

I made a hot axe head. I couldn't use the completed axe head and it was a shame to see more kindling thrown over hot coals, because players who haven't studied the game enough don't know that a small fire (called just 'fire' in the game) lasts 1 minute, a hot small fire lasts two minutes, and a large slow fire lasts 4 minutes.

The hot shovel head though was a different story though. I think what happened was my sister made a steel blade, but then dropped the hammer. I picked up the hammer and made a hot shovel head. I think she had already previously said that she wanted a knife to make paper. For anyone new, I don't know how to fully explain how making paper just doesn't make sense in an Eve camp starting from scratch in the large population context. It's possible, some veteran players could do so, but there's a good number of preliminaries which weren't covered in the case I'm talking about, and there's many other interesting and useful things to do that early.

While the shovel head was still hot she picked up the hammer and made a mining pick before the hot shovel head cooled. I think I immediately cursed her.

So, I went got some more iron and again started smithing. I beat out a hot shovel head, dropped the hammer again, and she again beat another mining pick head.

Third go around I kept the hammer in my hand and we had a cooled off shovel head and managed to find some young child, a boy as I recall, to dig up the well and got him to dig up some tule stumps (though not all the tule stumps in the local swamp).

It wasn't my best run for sure, and again, it felt like such a shame to see that extra kindling burnt on hot coals or small fires, since I couldn't chop up the pine tree above the kiln.

Last edited by Spoonwood (2020-02-06 12:20:56)

pein · 2020-02-06 10:55:30

you can recycle chisel once you got the file
you need the knife to recycle, but also you can convert knife to saw

this way you need only 7 iron to start an iron mine
hammer adze froe saw file (chisel and knife) pick and axe

then you need to make the mine and have no trouble with tools for a while, if you start with 1 hoe and 2 shovels, then break all of them constantly and get loose iron one by one, things can get bad
one shovel is still good to have so I try to get 8 iron at least before doing anything with smithing

worst I saw was a person making a stone room in eve camp, she stole the chisels right after they were made, ruined 3 of them before we even had a file, at least we didn't need a knife to recycle back then

depending on the spot, you don't have many straight branches, around 15-18 is needed for the tools, carts alone, you need 2 for the fire tools, 1 for hammer, at least 3 fences (one for well one for mine one for horse), one or two carts, 9 tools and replacements
that's just first hour the camp gets made, so making paper is one of the worst things you can do

the way jackpots work, you get more maple trees then you get less wild food so you need more shafts for hoes anyway

Spoonwood · 2020-02-06 12:00:23

pein wrote:

one shovel is still good to have so I try to get 8 iron at least before doing anything with smithing

Yeah, that's definitely an approach to consider. I don't like the large slow fire not being around though if people want the fire for heating children. If one person is willing to gather iron while the other starts up the smithing process, that sounds good to me. That said, that requires players comfortable enough with living off of wild food/willing to gather.

pein wrote:

worst I saw was a person making a stone room in eve camp, she stole the chisels right after they were made, ruined 3 of them before we even had a file, at least we didn't need a knife to recycle back then

Personally speaking, if I can't have the chisel, steel file blank, and steel blade blank all at the same time, I'd prefer to oil the steel file blank before having a chisel. Not for that reason. I once watched some people on a Twitch stream play and they cooked a goose. The apparently less experienced player wasn't farming, and ended up eating the goose, before they could oil a steel file blank.

And yeah, I wouldn't trust anyone talking about making paper in an Eve camp. Even if they say for maps. Those can wait for a bit, and maple branches have other stronger uses early on. A new player might not understand how things work, but, well, they don't understand how things work.

testo · 2020-02-06 20:52:22

Well you can always use a flash fire to keep the small fire up for another extra one and a half minutes. Most of the times I just get a second klin asap for charcoal purposes anyways, so even without wood for slow fire you can get around 3 to 4 minutes of fire per kindling.

Spoonwood · 2020-02-06 22:49:10

testo wrote:

Well you can always use a flash fire to keep the small fire up for another extra one and a half minutes.

The problems I have with trying to keep a "small" fire going are this:

1. It requires running out further and further for branches over time.

2. It burns kindling.

The flash fire boost costs an extra kindling and as you suggest, only boosts the time to hot coals by thirty seconds. I mean, it's 30 seconds worth of fire when you make a flash fire.

Flash fire excerbate my concerns about keeping a fire going early.

AmberA · 2020-02-06 22:57:44

I agree, I've found that at eve camps once a fire is going, mothers and children are much more likely to stay around the fire and therefore also eat the little food that the camp has. But if there is no fire then the mothers are more likely to raise their children in the wild scavenging food and only bring kids back to camp once they are older, therefore preserving the little food and ensuring people are comfortable gathering in the wild. Once a steady fire is going (without an axe) then food in town plummets quickly and new players are likely to starve rather than learning how to scavenge. And once a fire is going (without an axe) then 1 person's almost constant job is now required simply to maintain that fire. It's better to prep as much forging as once, make a fire, use the fire to forge then let it go out.

pein · 2020-02-07 00:12:09

spoon, the charcoal powder requires 1 piece of charcoal out of 3 so basically if timed right, is 3 flash fires, which is more than 4 minutes (if you time it within 2-3 sec before it goes out each time)

the flash fire is kinda smart, burn kindling but you would burn it anyway, so its better to bump up the fire 3 times for 30 sec
just is quite annoying that you don't know when it goes out, so maybe you can use the kilns for timing, light up the kiln than in 2-3 sec dump the charcoal on the fire, that's 30 sec. when the firing shaft goes off that's 60sec, or either light 2 kindlings and leave 4 sec first 2 after.

but really tho, more work than reward
even making a new fire with new kindling with the original fire shaft is better
or just let it go out and dump a flat rock on it and keep it up with a few eggs

would be cool if fire shaft lasts 62 seconds just so you time it, or another fire transition for like 4-5 sec so you save it before goes off

I guess you can do the axe for with the first basket of 3 iron than a shovel, make the well
I would rather hide the shovel cause stupid grave diggers ruin it before you even make a pen

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