i’m a griefer magnet

Oblong · 2019-04-25 00:30:41

tl;dr: how do i deal with griefers without doing some griefing myself?

im so god damn upset im sick of being blamed and murdered for all the wrong things i cant even format this post properly because ive become so fed up with the game i get the whole drama is fun in a game and its boring if everyone gets along but being stabbed or shot almost every other life is getting annoying its like the game wants me to go apeshit and join in the griefer cult too but i hate being so forgiving towards people who anger me when i havent done anything, is mass making compost making you jealous, is making a newcomen multipurpose tower making you upset even though we have an abundance of iron, is maintaining the berry farm and making a cistern to hold the pump water griefing, hell i dont even care if i out myself anymore but pretty much for the past couple of weeks ive been cursed by the same one/two people doing their stupid lazer cult stuff, i really want to enjoy this game but griefers are ruining it for me, i guess i have really poor luck when it comes to this game, i hear about all of these rp lives and i get envious because whenever i try to enact in such things i get told to work instead when ive been working my whole life, i was even thinking of buying the game again so i could play with someone i KNOW and actually have fun and laughs with them

ive stopped trying to stop griefers because all it causes is more dumb drama and i just get gutted before i can explain, my calls for help do nothing as someone is chasing me, i cant convince anyone that these people do bad things before its too late, why even try to anti grief when no one listens to you, maybe i’m doing the wrong thing, maybe since it happens so often I’M doing something wrong, i don’t even know anymore

im sorry if ive ever done anything wrong in the community
i don’t know, maybe this game isnt good for sensitive people

edit: i realized i just wrote a really fucklong post of me bitching, sorry

futurebird · 2019-04-25 01:31:29

I was having this exact same meltdown on the discord a few hours ago. You are not the only one who is fed up an annoyed with just getting stabbed while working and not bothering or even really talking much to anyone. "ha ha ha last girl"

The result is that I kind of emotionally pull away from the game and that's a natural way to deal with frustration and people attacking you for no reason, but I don't think it's good for the game at all. But, you can't ask people to "really care" and at the same time make a hostile unbalanced environment and have official forums and discords where gloating about spoiling someone else's game for no reason is a topic for gloating and swapping tips to do it more.

Oblong · 2019-04-25 02:11:52

i just got stabbed again because i shot someone in self defense and the person had not been thinking before stabbing.

i quit

pein · 2019-04-25 06:31:38

yeah i member Oblong, one life i was arguing with some beggar who follow me all life after that, she begged 2 packs and 2 knives, i took the first one and stab her, she was healed, and then no pads left for me and i was cursed
oblong seen the whole thing and i think she died in process

other life i was stabbed for picking up a pack from ground ,she was my mom, i offered to her
a chick took it cause it's hers ( i doubt she made any)
and stab me with no warning whatsoever, then i kinda framed her and got her few curses, Oblong also cursed her and she got 2 curses in return

bad luck brian xD

i admit that i kill a lot of people but i also kill a lot of griefers very early before they could ruin a town or kill others with no reason and i feel i get targeted for it
in an eve camp where i fed people for a whole life, the two lazy ass twins poked bears somewhy, to kill their own daughters? i mean that was the only excuse for not doing shit, that they raise girls
and i was basically their Eve just a male who never gets respect
i was cursed by 4/5 people (one said it was a mistake) and i left only one girl alive cause she seen im right the others just call me crazy old man and such

the other life a guy stole the horse from under me, and put inside his fence, and he and a lil guy were so butthurt i kill him, like he witnessed that he took my horse, what i got after 1000 tiles of foot travel
and im the bad guy for killign him after several warnings

one defence can be givign a knife to someone and telling him to kill that person, usually they talk a lot with others but eventually the person will die
and you save yourself the trouble, the curses, and the risk of death by revenge

i always keep an eye on people, and you would call me paranoid for the rules i take to prevent of getting stabbed, like i never talk near people, only diagonal, i never let people with loaded bow in my range, i never stab first, i wait they try and then stab
i never give kids knife, and even take it from them, i warn people not to carry loaded bows or knife with no storage, and i melt down a lot of knives

and even so any time i go soft, someone dies, i prefer to kill someone who does things that griefers do, than to let them kill others by accident or for the lullz

futurebird · 2019-04-27 15:05:11

To be fair, Oblong I didn't ignore your post. But, I'm bumping it anyway since I think it really shows the impact that this issue is having on people caring about the game. People will only continue to stay emotionally invested so long if they are constantly under attack-- and I don't think that's positive. I take it all less seriously now. It means a bit less. Taking it seriously sets you up to be victimized and the official position is that being victimized is "interesting" just because something draws a lot of attention and makes people react doesn't automatically make it "interesting" or a "story" --

I really like to get invested in the stories in the lives that I live but I'm cautious now keep it at arms distance because I could be killed for no reason at any moment then read about someone gloating about it here.

I tried just becoming a griefer myself but it was boring and made me feel bad and I think that was a poor choice on my part. What I'm trying now is to dig in to the good moments in the game when they happen. To show that "great stories" don't need to always be about war and death.

I was really sad when my french fry auntie died. I really felt bad when I cooked the potatoes by mistake. Those aren't big things but that life had more drama in it than the one where I was shot with a bow by some woman who kept taking my kids and giving them all the same name. She (or whoever was playing as her) was not taking the game seriously griefers generally don't. Part of the fun for them is seeing how people who *are* taking it seriously react and making those people confused and upset.

Her actions just made me want to stop playing. To her it was a game, to me it was a story. I guess I'm a dope for wanting to participate in a story, maybe that's how she sees it? (This is why I don't have a problem with role players. They ARE invested at least.)

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CatX · 2019-04-27 15:20:25

futurebird wrote:

(This is why I don't have a problem with role players. They ARE invested at least.)

I feel the same way. RPers are OK. Even though I tend to stay out of it myself, to avoid Death by Drama...

I have been killed a couple of times when I actually enjoyed it, but I won't repeat the stories here so as not to encourage griefers.

Oblong originally wrote:

how do i deal with griefers without doing some griefing myself?

Good question.
I have not ended up griefing myself.

I guess my main advice would be to simply take a pause when it gets too bad, and remind yourself that if you grief, you're getting revenge on people who may never have harmed you at all.

Take pride in being a better person than the griefers.

DestinyCall · 2019-04-27 15:32:52

I agree, futurebird. My most memorable and emotionally-moving lives are the ones where I allow myself to forget that it is "just a game" and I form a real connection with some of the other players living in my village. Like this one life where I married a pie saleman and helped teach a new player how to compost or another life where I worked hard to help my mother and we got really close, only to realize that I was the only one of my siblings to reach adulthood ... and our line was dead because I was a boy. I buried my mom when she died of old and spent the rest of my life in a silent, empty village ... just tidying up and reflecting on the meaninglessness of a life without children. Or the life where I was born to a mother who was trying to make a new bakery building all by herself, so I started hauling wood and asking about her plans so I could continue the work. Or the time I was born to a mother who stepped on a snake in the middle of the village. I was raised by my aunt and when I got older, I asked for a knife and went out to hunt snakes until everyone in the village was wearing snakeskin boots.

The lives where I've had to deal with a lot of griefing just leave a bitter taste in my mouth and make me lose faith in humanity. I play this game for the touching moments and the feeling of community that comes from working together toward a common goal. Griefers are selfish and toxic players. They make the game less enjoyable and, at times, unplayable. We need better tools for dealing with griefers, not just in the game, but in the community at large. Killing a griefer in one village, just pushes that bad player off on a new village full of potential victims. It's not good enough. I want a way to deal a blow that actually hurts the player who caused so much pain to others. Otherwise, they just keep spreading misery and upset until more people turn to griefing or give up on caring about their own children.

Dantox · 2019-04-28 08:11:08

Spending 1 hour of your life working on a town to be killed for something that is not your fault or because of self-defense and being tagged as the bad guy is frustating because you did nothing wrong, if you cant understand that is because you have never suffered it or you are the one that does it in the first place

breezeknight · 2019-04-28 14:01:47

well, you were so far not bothered at all with the zoom mods
those help a lot to find people to be killed, don't they ?
& then the great awbz, which tells the griefer if there is still a girl around to be killed

& then in general

>>> griefing is FUN <<<

while playing constructively is not
but you still just shut up the thinking & try to press through the griefers
it's a lost cause
violence will always win, if violence is allowed while constructivity is just exploited

you are morrons trying to play a peaceful game while everybody else is having fun with destruction

yeah, i go now playing something else
till there is an update that addresses the glaring issues
& not another fancy complicated clutter filled update for all the streamers, influencers & update hoppers
GL with your endevours

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CatX · 2019-04-28 14:36:58

breezeknight wrote:

you are morrons trying to play a peaceful game while everybody else is having fun with destruction

Yes. I know.
It's the griefers' game right now.
And yet it is not the griefing aspects that drew me to spend hours in the game.

What attracted me, what still attracts me, is the incredibly innovative and never-done-before aspect of the game, the lineage system. It has so much potential to evolve into something truly magnificent.

Unfortunately, right now it seems to be devolving into just another pvp-game, and not a very good one as such since people don't agree on the rules.

futurebird · 2019-04-28 14:53:12

CatX wrote:

What attracted me, what still attracts me, is the incredibly innovative and never-done-before aspect of the game, the lineage system. It has so much potential to evolve into something truly magnificent.
Unfortunately, right now it seems to be devolving into just another pvp-game, and not a very good one as such since people don't agree on the rules.

Same, the lineage system is a brilliant idea and has had me invested in this game unlike any other I've played. But, most games are PVP who can get the most kills "get gud noob" spaces where the enjoyment comes from being better at it than other people and beating them out on kills or whatever.

It isn't surprising that some people try to play this game as if it were about combat and besting other people. I see the potential for violence in the game as required to keep the realism of interpersonal relationships alive. Some of the time families get so mad at each other that they kill, that's sad but it's part of the story.

I think it's hard for some younger minded people (who normally play games where you speak exclusively in racial slurs and fart jokes, and try to kill as much as possible, and never show if your feelings have been hurt) to adjust to something that can be a bit different. Where there is violence, and vulnerability, and interpersonal emotions. They aren't brave enough to really care about the game or form and express vulnerability. That's funny because you start the game as a baby, totally helpless and you have to ask to be feed. I think that kind of teaches you to form attachments to other players. You mom dressed you, she was kind to you. She didn't have to do that. (and some of the time she might not) it's a brilliant way to introduce a deeper kind of play.

Someone on discord was talking about the griefing issue and said something like "you just need to take things less seriously and stop being a crybaby" ... and that kind of distills it all right there. Take the game less seriously. What is it then? The most awkward PVP klan combat game ever? The more people that take that advice the further the game moves from what makes it unique. You CAN'T take most game seriously can you imagine solid snake crying when he was caught? Or if you play GTA and start thinking about how the people you run over ... feel. LOL what a nightmare. But this game is different. It's dangerous. It gives you the room to open up to people in such a way that when they kill you or abuse you in game it's much more vivid and real and I love that! When I have killed in game I keep thinking "did I do the right thing?" I feel guilt if I have doubts about it. That's really exciting. Griefers miss out on most of this I think.

I think some newer players don't quite register that they are not in a universe where they are the only person with agency surrounded with automata designed to make them the center of the story. Everyone in the game is a real person. And, yeah, we can see who has the most PVP skills like in every other game or maybe we could do something original and ... you know ... creative.

That's the itch that this game scratches for me. If I wanted PVP I'd play something else.

Being a badass in OHOL is like being the best at knife throwing in a dance contest.

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DestinyCall · 2019-04-28 15:09:25

futurebird wrote:

Being a badass in OHOL is like being the best at knife throwing in a dance contest.

You win top quote of the day. :-)

breezeknight · 2019-04-28 17:06:25

you all rage about griefers

this war on griefers is NOT WINABLE
they are better at fighting, they are playing their own game

if you would be clever, you would unite to move Jason to include rewards for constructive gameplay

i wrote it now often enough & already months ago, since then nothing really changed
generation after generation of peaceful players who are lured into the game by false advertising (yep) must run inevitably into the same wall of griefing as every generation before, as long constructivity is not rewarded & not a main object of the game

same as with clutter

wrote that already ad nauseam
the more clutter there is, the less players care for anything, because - GARBAGE !!!

but you just confront griefers, talk about griefers, rage against griefers, tell stories about griefers
griefers griefers griefers

you know when this forum won on peaceful threads for the first time in long ?
after the carrots update !!!
yep

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CatX · 2019-04-28 19:36:47

breezeknight wrote:

this war on griefers is NOT WINABLE

But the brainstorming within the community about anti-griefing mechanisms is very valuable.

breezeknight wrote:

you all rage about griefers
if you would be clever, you would unite to move Jason to include rewards for constructive gameplay

I'm all for that as well.

I support the ideas put forward in another thread about creating barrels, tables, and whatnot.

At the moment, if the main problem really is that we discuss griefing too much, a quick way to remedy that problem would be simply to ban those specific griefers who brag about their destroying villages as if it were a contest.

However, what kinds of rewards for constructive gameplay are you talking about?

Achievements that you can reach?

The blessing system?

I'm not against a blessing system, not at all. I had the idea myself before I read it here on the forum. But I think I might need to see how it works before I can give my vote. I can see a problem where the character born with a halo suddenly starts killing everyone, and people get mad with the game because they know the mechanics of the system made a promise that the person was trustworthy.
And if blessings could lessen the period you stay in Donkey Town, griefers would simply exploit that too. Cute babies would get a lot of blessings.

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The_Anabaptist · 2019-04-28 20:32:56

Mechanics for positive game play are Jason's prerogative. There have been many threads in the past with many suggestions for various positive mechanics. Either Jason doesn't like them or something else in his to do list always takes priority over them.

Breezeknight, to lay blame on the good players for not organizing is a red herring argument, and I for one reject it.

The_Anabaptist

breezeknight · 2019-04-28 23:37:57

CatX wrote:

I'm not against a blessing system, not at all. I had the idea myself before I read it here on the forum. But I think I might need to see how it works before I can give my vote.
I can see a problem where the character born with a halo suddenly starts killing everyone, and people get mad with the game because they know the mechanics of the system made a promise that the person was trustworthy.
And if blessings could lessen the period you stay in Donkey Town, griefers would simply exploit that too. Cute babies would get a lot of blessings.

so here we are again

griefers & your fear of griefing is dictating even your positive ideas

meantime EVERY f*ing idea is being mixed with fear of griefers

fear of griefers dictates your thoughts

& thus griefing is fun

& yeah
even Jason fears griefers & checks every new idea against options to grief

if people IRL would be that fearful, we would have died out long ago

does the fear prevent griefing ? nope

just accept that griefing will take place no matter what, if you introduce stuff into the game which can be used for good, some player will inevitably test it if it can be exploited as griefing
that cannot be prevented, only improved later on

if you talk about a blessing system, stay on the benefits side, what are the positives you want to gain from ?
can the gain be improved ? where are the difficulties (which don't include other players trying to use it for griefing) ?
fixated on griefing you are stuck in an endless loop, paralized & nothing will change, nothing will improve

@The_Anabaptist

so you just like to talk endlessly about how right you are in your rage against griefing, or what ?
cause after a year of complaints the next one will do the trick ? or the next one, or the next ...

& about Jason's prerogatives
positive gameplay is it not
the last couple of updates have added new clutter piled on all the old clutter
more clutter doesn't make positive gameplay
& more complicated new crafting doesn't add positive gameplay

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CatX · 2019-04-29 00:00:06

breezeknight wrote:

so here we are again
griefers & your fear of griefing is dictating even your positive ideas
meantime EVERY f*ing idea is being mixed with fear of griefers

If the premise is to find a way to lessen griefing in the game, then we will necessarily have to discuss whether the ideas presented would have the desired effect.

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