"Are you new?"

futurebird · 2019-03-11 01:31:37

This question ought to be useful, but often it isn't. Frankly, the players who say "sorta" have been some of the better players I've worked with in terms of listening and surviving. But, if you ask "are you you new?" and the kid says "N" then you ask "do you know how to make soup/smith/get rabbits" and there is no answer get ready for an early death.

My "not new" son wandered off with the only backpack and died right away. My "sorta new" daughter lived to have several kids, and learned how to make soup *in game* I mean... that takes some patience waiting for my fat fingers to type.

I do wish more players would take the time to teach me things.

I think I'll ask "Can you help us __ " rather than "are you new?" in Eve camps from now on.

What do you ask your kids in game? What is the most complex thing you learned in game?

fragilityh14 · 2019-03-11 01:41:13

yeah I've ran into this problem. In my experience, people who admit to being new can be some of the best players, because they actually want to learn and contribute. Some people say you should just abandon or kill kids who admit to being new, which only works once, because then they just lie about it and avoid people.

In an established camp I usually just see if they ask questions, but I go around telling them how the camp is.

In newer camps i just say, "make basket, always carry food"

I actually had a daughter ask how to make basket the other day, and I said "just take mine, gather and bring back to camp", just staying alive they'll learn plenty.

I've had some really good kids who are new, and watching what i'm doing. I feel like there's an early-mid point in learning where people start trying to learn complex tasks and forget to eat. Kids can learn quite a lot just from staying alive to see what's going on.

Psykout · 2019-03-11 03:04:11

Personally I feel like it's a loaded question. To top it off, the person you are usually asking (newborn) they have a very limited way of communicating. In my experience asking someone a yes or no question when they have a limited vocabulary ( think new english speaker) you are definitely going to get an answer but that answer might not be accurate. I haven't done it a lot yet, mostly because mothering and nanny'ing is my biggest downfall, but I believe it would be better to ask someone to rate their experience from Q to to T (Q=1 T=5) of what they rate themselves is a better question. ABCDE on a 1-5 scale would work, i just do qwerty because keyboard life is all. As pointed out, a new player is more likely to learn to say N to the "are you new" question than they are too learn how to compost, or as you pointed out, simply to make baskets. These are people, they are more likely to fib a little on a question that is damn near, should I let you live or not, than they are if given a 1-5 scale on their competence. I started right when steam launched, which a lot of us know as a growing experience. I knew what I was being asked. When someone asked me, are you new or not, I knew they were asking "Are you completely clueless or are you trying hard despite not understanding everything" I made it to 3yrs old at a significantly higher rate than not if I skewed my answer. I get what people are trying to do, but it can't hold up. Best thing we can do is find the one kid out of three dozen that still wants to raise their hand and say teach me, there will always be the slacker, but the productive ones can outweigh them.

Baker · 2019-03-11 03:24:02

Well the skill level of "not new" people can vary, Some overestimate their skills and bitch about everybody else later. Like going around talking about how we have no carrot seeds when you could be out getting them.

Better to judge people on their actions rather than words. Does your kid start working at 3 years or do they just eat?

pein · 2019-03-11 04:04:58

stupid question btw

once a kid answered extendedly
im not new, i got 10 hours

mirelli asks if can do certain jobs, that's better approach, but people always think you talk to them, or they think you actually need that position
but you can sort it out later
ask if can compost, if can and does it, you just covered soil usage for him for an entire life kinda
this are the things new people should learn

gather branches, firewood, clay
make a compost

then just what everyone right now spams to kids before leaving them alone "help farm"
n osoil, no water, i just want to get rid of you cause i raised you

i often talk later with my kids, or i don't even keep them if cannot afford resources and time for them

i mean i consider you new regardless, based on my hours
or i know your name

we do things the bad way, like one single berry field limits people on one single place

what is wrong with making 2 smaller berry fields? or one middle and 4 on corners?

DestinyCall · 2019-03-11 04:35:25

I'm tempted to start answering "yes" to this question just to see what happens. If my mom lets me die for "admitting" to be new, I'd rather contribute to a different village anyways. But I don't really want to waste my mom's time if she starts trying to teach me how to tend berries or something.

I don't bother asking most of my kids if they are new, since it is a loaded question. A better question might be "is there anything you would like to learn?" Or if the other player is very young and can't answer in a complex way "want to learn how to X?"

Lily · 2019-03-11 10:48:34

It is definitely an opening question that requires further followup questions. I wouldn't say it is a useless question but if you don't follow it up for more information, then you may have issues. Typically if they answer yes or no will change on how closely I watch them, then I still follow up with stuff such as "Can you do X".

If someone says they are new and I teach them to take care of a bush, I will show them all the steps, including where to get water and soil and if they seem to have trouble even walk with them to get soil and water and do the first bush. If someone says they are not new and I teach them how to take care of a bush, I may skip some steps. Such as where to get water from. Since a new person should be able to get water. Though a lot of this depends on how much time I have and what else is going on. If there is five children running off, the ones who seem newer will get more attention.

I also don't really trust someone who says they are not new, unless they know how to do at least three things. I usually ask about the three things that are most important to do at that time. Commonly it is do you know how to farm(or take care of bushes), do you know how to smith stuff and can you compost, and maybe occasionally can you cook pies. Regardless of how they answer the are you new question, if they can do the first things I mention, I usually assume they are good enough and either have them do one of those tasks if it is needed, or just let them go off and do their own thing.

Baker · 2019-03-11 10:58:47

DestinyCall wrote:

I'm tempted to start answering "yes" to this question just to see what happens. If my mom lets me die for "admitting" to be new, I'd rather contribute to a different village anyways. But I don't really want to waste my mom's time if she starts trying to teach me how to tend berries or something.
I don't bother asking most of my kids if they are new, since it is a loaded question. A better question might be "is there anything you would like to learn?" Or if the other player is very young and can't answer in a complex way "want to learn how to X?"

Yeah, I might do that just to see what happens. I kinda wanna see how new players are treated nowadays when I started everybody was basically new.

breezeknight · 2019-03-11 11:17:17

this question is useless

i ask it very rarely, to clarify, but usually it's evident
i teach on the fly, just in case, if the player is not new they can say it then, if they are then they can learn right away

it's also pretty quick evident if the mom is a new player or not
i'd say, moms asking me that question are quite new

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Averest · 2019-03-11 11:19:09

If I have time and am not currently putting out a fire, I ask my kids what they like to do and what's fun for them then I try to connect them with people who are already doing the job. Do you like to hunt? Gather things? Haul? Bake? If they want to hunt or haul, I'll keep an eye out for or make them a backpack. If they like to bake, the apron is an easy choice. Maybe it's just me, but it's pretty darn hard to get much done in the first years of your life when you're constantly hungry. A full suit of clothing makes someone more productive than scattering bits over a bunch of kids.

If I'm not in the middle of a project, I'll walk them around the town. If they react to things that might be less than optimal, I know that's the kid to sink effort into.

breezeknight · 2019-03-11 11:32:18

Averest wrote:

... Maybe it's just me, but it's pretty darn hard to get much done in the first years of your life when you're constantly hungry. A full suit of clothing makes someone more productive than scattering bits over a bunch of kids.
...

so that was you who left me naked while equiping another kid with backpack & whatnot

no, really
that's not a good idea
cause you never know which kid will die soon cause not even able to survive next to a berry farm
& which will have to search a long time naked for a basket just to get something done while they could be meanwhile hunt rabbits

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Spoonwood · 2019-03-11 13:40:47

There is no item in the game called 'soup'. So, you're actually talking about the nomenclature you use instead of the game. I can't tell exactly if you mean stew, turkey broth, or sauerkraut.

DestinyCall · 2019-03-11 16:47:03

Spoonwood wrote:

There is no item in the game called 'soup'. So, you're actually talking about the nomenclature you use instead of the game. I can't tell exactly if you mean stew, turkey broth, or sauerkraut.

If someone asks me if I know how to make soup, I would know what they mean, since I'm not new. Likewise, if they ask me if I know how to "farm", I know they probably mean berry tending, not cabbage farming.

My favorite example of this was a mom who kept telling all her children to tend the berries, while I was busy working on the sheep pen. She was having trouble getting anyone to listen to her. At one point, she ran over and asked me if i "knew how to garden". Without hestitation, I answered "Yes, I can plant rosebushes."

Lily · 2019-03-11 21:50:25

If someone says soup they probably mean stew but if you went and made sauerkraut instead I don't think they would be overly upset. As for determining your level of skill by knowing if you can make soup or not, well being able to make any of the three probably puts you at roughly the same level. The same is true that if you know how to plant rosebushes, you can probably figure out how to take care of a bush as well.

voy178 · 2019-03-12 12:34:30

The only problem with trying to teach a new player something is that you're getting a new baby before you're done teaching the first. Maybe it's better people start taking up apprentices if they've started to fill a roll in the settlement.

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