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#1 2019-02-25 06:56:18

futurebird
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Leaving one berry....

What is the current best practice for wild and domestic bushes? Is there any point to leaving one berry still?


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#2 2019-02-25 07:02:17

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Re: Leaving one berry....

Not really, although if you are near camp it's polite to leave one. That way if someone is starving they will be saved by that berry


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#3 2019-02-25 07:40:34

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Re: Leaving one berry....

There is no need.   Domestic bushes do not regrow berries spontaneously.   Wild bushes regrow even if you take the last berry.

It is polite to avoid over-eating the wild bushes, so others can use them.   And it is a good idea to switch from eating berries to eating pies when you get older.   But as far as leaving the last berry on the bush ... not necessary.

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#4 2019-02-25 08:04:24

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Re: Leaving one berry....

I'd rather you have it in your head to never leave a berry on a bush than to be confused whether you leave one on domestics or wild. Leaving a berry on the domestic will slow down the ability to resoil and rewater them which might seem like a good idea at first until you realize it takes over an hour of neglect for a berry bush to die.

You should prioritize ripping berries off bushes (one and two berry bushes) for composting/eating/whatever rather than starting with bushes that already have full or near full amounts of berries.


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#5 2019-02-25 08:12:12

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Re: Leaving one berry....

Tarr wrote:

I'd rather you have it in your head to never leave a berry on a bush than to be confused whether you leave one on domestics or wild. Leaving a berry on the domestic will slow down the ability to resoil and rewater them which might seem like a good idea at first until you realize it takes over an hour of neglect for a berry bush to die.

You should prioritize ripping berries off bushes (one and two berry bushes) for composting/eating/whatever rather than starting with bushes that already have full or near full amounts of berries.

This is what I suspected, though in an Eve camp with wild bushes, not gobbling is important. I think many new players try to keep the hunger bar *full* which is bad, it should not be full most of the time. Not really intuitive, but I've learned to live on the edge of the first "starving" warning (silent one) when eveing and about 4 bars down in town.

Unless I'm on that funky one town server LOL where eating is a duty to free up empty tiles.


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#6 2019-02-25 08:48:44

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Re: Leaving one berry....

you should always pick bushes off right away
if you  havent fixed all bushes, you don't plant new bushes
this is a good measurement of how ineffective and futile is planting more cause costs more soil and more tilling, more time
but the average profit is the same
3x4 worked well enough on s5 with 10+ people who knew not to eat berries if got something else

on wild ones, you can leave one and if you see them full pick down one each, that regenerates one per 10 min


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#7 2019-02-25 10:06:05

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Re: Leaving one berry....

Definitely agree of you're pre farm on an eve run try to leave one on wild bushes and always empty domestic.

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#8 2019-02-25 10:57:48

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Re: Leaving one berry....

on domestic bushes always pick the last berry / pick from where it has low berry anyway.

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#9 2019-02-25 12:34:25

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Re: Leaving one berry....

There was a guy yelling in the berry field one day not to pick the last berry and I just steered clear of him.

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#10 2019-02-25 12:35:12

pein
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Re: Leaving one berry....

stew wrote:

on domestic bushes always pick the last berry / pick from where it has low berry anyway.

and middle of the huge bushes, if you eat it, doesn't matter for you, for picking down to bowl, you need sides


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#11 2019-02-25 13:27:18

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Re: Leaving one berry....

If you're playing a low population server town, I suggest that you leave at least one berry on domestic bushes.  It's a bit different than towns on a larger server (note that server1 sometimes has a bunch of people... not just bigserver2), since someone might not play that spot again for a few hours, so a fully picked bush can easily die.

That said, on a large population server, it's considered a courtesy to leave the last berry on a wild bush for someone else to eat.  Domestic bushes may as well get picked, with each bush getting picked before any other bush gets touched, so the picked bush can regrow (or die out if in a bad spot).  This all assumes that the berries get picked and eaten or stored in a clay bowl.  Berries not in a clay bowl decay after 4 minutes.  So, please use a clay bowl if not eating a berry that you picked.


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#12 2019-02-25 15:12:22

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Re: Leaving one berry....

On farms, eat from the least-full bushes first, and empty them.

In the wild, eat from the most-full bushes first, and try not to empty them.

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#13 2019-02-25 17:21:21

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Re: Leaving one berry....

CrazyEddie wrote:

On farms, eat from the least-full bushes first, and empty them.

In the wild, eat from the most-full bushes first, and try not to empty them.

That makes for a good summary for bigserver towns (or server1 during the maintainence period).


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#14 2019-02-26 17:22:45

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Re: Leaving one berry....

CrazyEddie wrote:

On farms, eat from the least-full bushes first, and empty them.

In the wild, eat from the most-full bushes first, and try not to empty them.


this is pretty much it, just to explain it for those who are too new to know:

domestic, farm berry bushes need maintenance to produce food. When a domestic bush is emptied, it takes 2 mins to turn to its bad colour state. Then it takes 8 minutes to get full after you add soil and water it. So a bush takes a bit more than 10 minutes to produce 7 berries. This means you want to reset them as fast as possible, picking from one bush with all others full or resetting. If you spread out the bushes you take berries from and you reset them all at the same time you will have no berries for 10 minutes and probably die off.

wild bushes do not require you to tend to them. When a wild bush is not full, it will regen one berry per 10 minutes. So it is best to spread out your eating, so that there are many bushes with some berries missing so they all regen at the same time and more wild food is produced. I suspect, like other stuff, taking a berry resets the regeneration timer. I am not sure about that, but if so that is another reason not to eat from the same bush if you can.
The rule about leaving at least one berry on wild bushes is not about regeneration. People often keep a mental map of where wild food sources are nearby, and run to them in famines. This is true for towns but also for berries on the way to common foraging areas like the savanna. So other people might be counting on those berries, and eating all means that they starve to death. So, if you yourself are not about to die, it is best to go eat from wild bushes that are a bit further from the town and not eat the last berry if you can.

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#15 2019-02-26 18:52:17

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Re: Leaving one berry....

I've been in quite a few towns where someone was telling everyone to leave one berry on all the berry bushes in the farm.. They actually started arguing with me when I told them no, to empty a bush first before moving to the next full bush so that they can be soiled and watered. I told them that's a good way to kill babes, elders, and run out of anything needing berries. 

They would get mad and say I was griefing when I grabbed a bowl to empty the single berry bushes. (which was pretty much the whole berry farm at that point!)

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#16 2019-02-26 18:56:05

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Re: Leaving one berry....

they are either dumb or haven't played in a long time or just griefing

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