Too many sheep dung, not enough branches

pein · 2018-05-08 16:15:26

This is not quite a bug, but leads to something that its quite annoying. a balancing issue which makes kinda hard for smithing, and easy to composting, but too much clutter.

If every new fed lamb produces a dung and every compost makes 4 soil, the only way to dispose all dung is to have all soil used as wheat, make more compost, if the ancestors planted enough berry bushes, you will need much more clothes than soil
Its nice when restarting civilizations, but its usually too much, so two things could be made: modify recipe to use two
Use for something else, like some ultramega nice thing, like cactus planting:P or some plant which turns desert into normal tiles and doesnt block movement, can be picked out later, for the "the why would you do that?" question, is a simple answer: checkboard desert perfect temperature xD
same thing, sheeps could destroy the tile after eating too much from it, turning to desert.

maybe sapling farming could use it, as its for looks, instead of soil which is kind of a waste

the other solution would be to stack it somehow, or be able to carry multiple on a flatstone maybe, basket would be gross

i understand that some point animals can fill the pen, but this is too much, it was at least 9x9 size pen and already 80% dung, now shit hoarding is a full time job, not like bakery. once i told son clean the pen, he was growing mustache and gone bald when gave up xD

on the other hand branches are not enough to make a decent pen, you use up a lifetime to make a 5x5 inner size, also lot of times not enough branches before making an axe. This as a limitation would be okay but it punishes kids who born there but they cant make any kindling or tools without branches.

Also griefers cut out trees and towns look barren green with well walls, planting trees with using up some dung, would be nice.
they block movement, this could be abused in walling off, or making tree rooms, so some randomization would be required, like no trees can be planted near other trees and they could grow randomly on any 8 tiles from the place you want.

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jasonrohrer · 2018-05-08 17:38:10

Is the problem that dung never decays away on its own, so it builds up?

Turnipseed · 2018-05-08 18:27:12

No no no no dont make dung decay pleassseee. Ill move it if its in the way

FeignedSanity · 2018-05-09 00:34:40

Turnipseed wrote:

No no no no dont make dung decay pleassseee. Ill move it if its in the way

But you're using up a lot of shovel uses for that. Honestly I think feeding sheered sheep instead of killing every single one is a good alternate. Dung is only produced when babies grow up. Is it now a question of mutton being used up faster than dung? Because you can make pies out of other things; like all those bunnies you have left over because your backpacks decay every two hours.

pein · 2018-05-09 06:23:58

it builds up, but you can say that the players payed for it, just they can not process it right away
its only removable by a shovel, and it occupies the tile, so eventually someone needs a whole life to move it, or make another pen, move a lamb, start over

now imagine, someone feeds all those lambs outside a pen, or fixes it wrong, next level griefing, once i seen like 15 sheep outside and i put the farm inside a sheep pen, they cant get inside either

but honestly, you make a pen in a lifetime, and it gets full pretty fast, like 3x3, kinda minimum for a starter pen, after 8 sheep, you can start processing the dung, but you need baskets from wheat, you need the soil to carrot, to berry bushes to sapling farming

if you make the pen as you go, maybe you can keep up, for a while, and technically 2 berry bowls for a dung are kinda expensive (when you already got 4-5 composts you better cut it short on more composting in favor of baskets), you wont find in your own biome most probably, even if you got planted you need to be alert to make the berry bowl, water the bush, stick a carrot into it, some people even eat it from the bowl

when you got tons of berry planted, you can feed them fast, but people need clothes 3+2+1+1, takes 7 sheep sheared for a full clothing, that is 7 dungs nobody processes cause wasnt the goal to make it, but its a waste not to

meanwhile an 5x5 pen was the biggest i seen made of fences, in one lifetime, 3 of us did it, 4 or 5 biomes needed for enough branches, and back then we didnt even needed so many for tools, now the average player goes 50 tile away, but most people are just confused, why there is no hoe? they just pick a fence rail cause the mighty carrot farm keeps them alive, munching carrots and making babies for generations

what about a new tool? a fork would allow to stack/un-stack dung into piles of 4 or 10
decaying would kill big cities as no soil could be found around

even if people process it and use some soil to make baskets, now they get a lot of grains they cant use up for pies, they can store it into bowls, but then there is not enough clay to make bowls, there is excess, in theory everyone is responsible to feed as many lams, as fleece used, clean up the pen, in reality nobody does it, maybe 10% of players want to get rid of clutter, but in meantime the other 90% makes even more

a new recipe would fix it, getting rid of some of it right away, in small camps, people wont use on it, as they need for compost
but on large restarted dead cities, this is the only excess material. what they lack of is trees, so is a correlation between branches and extra dung, linking them would make a nice circle

or other recipe for grain like alcohol or bread. this would end up using the dung, but into wheat farming which would fix the clutter also.

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pein · 2018-05-09 06:42:41

FeignedSanity wrote:

Turnipseed wrote:
No no no no dont make dung decay pleassseee. Ill move it if its in the way
But you're using up a lot of shovel uses for that. Honestly I think feeding sheered sheep instead of killing every single one is a good alternate. Dung is only produced when babies grow up. Is it now a question of mutton being used up faster than dung? Because you can make pies out of other things; like all those bunnies you have left over because your backpacks decay every two hours.

you could, in theory, but when its enough dung? you got free tiles, so better just feed lamb. the issue is not the free space, the issue is the work it takes to make free space.

technicallly 1 soil 1 wheat, 4 plate of crust, 4 mutton=1 dead sheep. this is 3 extra soil. so its 1-1. but clothing makes extra 7 dung/sheep.
now if you get clothing then feed lambs, kill 7 sheep, clean pen of dung and bones, this is your responsibility, and someone needs to move mutton meat, make compost, plant 7 wheat, make 28 crust, make 7 compost, make 28 crust, this is a full circle
the more you think about it, the more you realize that you need to stab anyone who makes wool clothes and then walks around like nothing happened

FeignedSanity · 2018-05-09 17:54:20

pein wrote:

you could, in theory, but when its enough dung? you got free tiles, so better just feed lamb. the issue is not the free space, the issue is the work it takes to make free space.
technicallly 1 soil 1 wheat, 4 plate of crust, 4 mutton=1 dead sheep. this is 3 extra soil. so its 1-1. but clothing makes extra 7 dung/sheep.
now if you get clothing then feed lambs, kill 7 sheep, clean pen of dung and bones, this is your responsibility, and someone needs to move mutton meat, make compost, plant 7 wheat, make 28 crust, make 7 compost, make 28 crust, this is a full circle
the more you think about it, the more you realize that you need to stab anyone who makes wool clothes and then walks around like nothing happened

So you're concern is the effort it takes to move the dung? If I understand correctly, you're suggesting it be easier? If that's the case, then I'd have to disagree. And I also disagree that you'd need to stab someone who makes wool clothes because you don't know if they didn't just feed shorn sheep. At that point, the only thing they'd be wasting is berries and carrots (but come on).

I do, however, agree that anyone getting 7 wool is being extremely wasteful when sealskin coats and bunny shoes are not only better insulation, but also not very difficult to get. I only ever use two wool for a hat, just for a splash of color.

I also don't agree that you always get 3 extra soil, I believe you, quite often, get 1 extra soil because the other 2 would also be used for wheat. You should be looking to increase/replace your basket supply. And the two extra flour will take care of the 9 rabbits from making two backpacks (11 or 12 if you're making pants, which you should be). So I feel like the math kind of adds up.

Long story short, if you don't need the dung, then don't make it. And if it's difficult/time consuming to clear out the poop, just set up poop/compost station right outside your sheep pen to minimize travel time.

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Turnipseed · 2018-05-09 18:34:21

You shouldn't stab anyone for fucking up once they will die and not learn. Try to teach then if they keep going stab them.

Make all the wool you want just leave one sheep unsheared. Just like leaving one row of carrots, or one peice of wheat for seed. That way if you need poo you dont have to get two bowls of berrys

FeignedSanity · 2018-05-09 20:29:04

Turnipseed wrote:

You shouldn't stab anyone for fucking up once they will die and not learn. Try to teach then if they keep going stab them.
Make all the wool you want just leave one sheep unsheared. Just like leaving one row of carrots, or one peice of wheat for seed. That way if you need poo you dont have to get two bowls of berrys

I don't feel like that was the argument he was making. Wasn't he talking about one person raising 7 sheep, killing them all, then leaving the mess behind just to get a full wool set? While I don't think that constitutes murder, it is kind of a dick thing to do.

FeignedSanity · 2018-05-09 20:36:30

pein wrote:

when you got tons of berry planted, you can feed them fast, but people need clothes 3+2+1+1, takes 7 sheep sheared for a full clothing, that is 7 dungs nobody processes cause wasnt the goal to make it, but its a waste not to

Just took the time to read the wall and found this part. I personally feel it is wasteful to produce 7 dungs for 7 wool if you don't need them. It's called over production, one of the eight most commonly found forms of waste. I don't like making full sheep clothing, as there are better alternatives; but if you are (and already have more than enough compost) it is wasteful to make 7 more dung just because you can. Just feed shorn sheep, it's ironically the least wasteful method given this scenario.

Turnipseed · 2018-05-09 20:50:10

Oh 100 % its a dick move. I agree completely that you need to clean up after yourself. I was talking more in the case where you have a bunch of sheep, and a bunch of dung. If theres a berry excess large enough, and you feel like you NEED wool just feed and sheer the extra sheep to avoid making the mess..

And trying to promote giving people a warning, and offering to teach them a better way to achieve their goal before stabbing them. If they refuse to learn by all means go all stabby sttabby

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jasonrohrer · 2018-05-09 23:59:08

So it doesn't sound like this is an agreed-upon bug...

FeignedSanity · 2018-05-10 01:26:54

jasonrohrer wrote:

So it doesn't sound like this is an agreed-upon bug...

I don't think it was ever a bug in the first place. I think he was just talking about things he thought weren't balanced. My understanding is he's complaining about how many branches it takes to make a pen for your sheep (considering you also need them for tools and such), and that he has too much extra dung because he only feeds baby lambs. Honestly, I feel like this thread is in the wrong section.

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