Two kilns and no oven!!!??? For what!!???

MistressZues · 2018-05-02 00:28:33

I have had many villages I start fall into famine because a child I birthed decided they wanted to Smith instead of farm. They will turn my oven into a second kiln which I've come to learn pies are a must for a growing village just starting. Living off the berries an carrots alone quickly goes south. Pies make it so that you can hold out just long enough for those neglected carrots to seed or those watered rows to be ready. Why make two kilns and have no oven?? Just why? I'm not a huge smither but why have two kilns if your only a all family of four or ten? I feel like until food isn't an issue or constant worry one kiln will do just fine. No point in having an awesome smithing corner with all your little tools if you die an kill your whole village due to no diet diversity lol

YAHG · 2018-05-02 00:52:01

Double charcoal batches are nice, you can get the charcoal to re-fire the forge while also filling 3 crucibles a cycle.

pein · 2018-05-02 01:24:16

no they not, you cant make pies on wild wheat, its just a luxury item, lot of it gets wasted, carrot pie sux, rabbit carrot wastes enough of a time, i often see one or other missing. two kilns are more useful for a smith, as yahg said. i dont understand one kiln, as they lose time even if resources are there., also competing for bowls and plates is stupid, yes smith should have priority. and oven is fricking 2 adobe, make a new one. also always leave 3-3 bowls and plates for a smith, even 4, so they dont waste the fire. You can easily make 8-9 new ones and still make charcoal

you should just munch carrot until an axe is made, green biome has branches, and once picked, they dont return a while, so you are on limit on making kindling from branches, if you odnt cut trees, people need to walk to next green biome, which takes a loooot of time, so help your smith making an axe, dont compete on the branches. also im pretty sure with my style of play i would prefer having a shovel in the city instead of pies. even adze and froe, as without carts, you can only bring back 3 curved shafts or one straith branch.

people tend to focus too much on the pies, like in old meta, yes you can make some, but i dont think its a full job, you dont have the wheet for it, and you dont have compost to make wheet farm , clearly suggests, even sheep pen is more important.

your primary food source gonna be carrots or cactus or maybe berry (not on 10 people) so soil runs are necessary for a milkweed supply, hard to balance and depends on the map but pies come after carts on every map, except savannah villages.

a smith in second generation can advance a camp further, more farmers just use up soil, so on a population boom you got no tools, no carts, no gear then even 3 generations later you are stuck in the same advancement. Smiting has the hardest recipes and be happy you got one.

Also now with new tule stump decay, you need to have the shovel under one hour to get the adobe before decays anyway.

technically you got upset on getting 2 adobes. if thats a problem, food is actually an issue already

JS · 2018-05-02 12:45:29

I know you are not, but I will tell you my case.

I choose a good place and build a kiln.
A suitable place to build a kiln is a lot of branches and lots of free space.
A little far from the water.

And when I brought the supplies, someone made the FARM next to the kiln and sowed them.

Or someone made an oven next to the kiln.

Or someone made bass with Adobe Spare under the kiln.

Someone picked up Adobe, which I had deliberately distanced, and made an oven next to my kiln.
So I told him not to make an oven next to the kiln.
And I said that this was two kilns and so did it.

Last edited by JS (2018-05-02 12:46:39)

Alleria · 2018-05-02 13:02:52

Pies are for mid to late game (you have a sheep pen and compost is soon to be underway), and the minimum amount of pies you should be making in a batch IMO is 12 - or else you're just wasting time. A possible reason why your villages are starving could be that you're making pies inefficiently and moving the smiths tools, when you could be doing something actually helpful like cacti farming or foraging. A more probable reason is that your family are simply producing too many children. Become familiar with the term "carrying capacity" and how it relates to the game. 10 berry bushes, 2 carrot plots, 4 cacti per person on average.

Also, you're probably building the oven near the kiln, which is really inefficient. The oven should be at least a screen away from the forge.

Last edited by Alleria (2018-05-02 13:04:26)

pein · 2018-05-02 13:20:41

yeah just a few tips: build your kilns far from water, eventually no one makes farm near it
i prefer just under desert, kiln is on first hot spot
leave a space between kilns, 3 is even better than two
keep the adobe inside a basket, or they just splash it on ground, also the stone so they dont make well out of it , you can even dig it aroudn so they cant fit a farm there

Alleria · 2018-05-02 13:31:33

pein wrote:

yeah just a few tips: build your kilns far from water, eventually no one makes farm near it
i prefer just under desert, kiln is on first hot spot
leave a space between kilns, 3 is even better than two
keep the adobe inside a basket, or they just splash it on ground, also the stone so they dont make well out of it , you can even dig it aroudn so they cant fit a farm there

Baskets are highly valuable now. I ain't wasting one to store an adobe! I usually keep it behind the kiln.

pein · 2018-05-02 15:17:44

Alleria wrote:

pein wrote:
yeah just a few tips: build your kilns far from water, eventually no one makes farm near it
i prefer just under desert, kiln is on first hot spot
leave a space between kilns, 3 is even better than two
keep the adobe inside a basket, or they just splash it on ground, also the stone so they dont make well out of it , you can even dig it aroudn so they cant fit a farm there
Baskets are highly valuable now. I ain't wasting one to store an adobe! I usually keep it behind the kiln.

you are lucky, the next adobe will be same cost as a basket also you can pull a 180 around your kiln to go around your brand new oven base xD

JS · 2018-05-02 15:36:45

pein wrote:

yeah just a few tips: build your kilns far from water, eventually no one makes farm near it
i prefer just under desert, kiln is on first hot spot
leave a space between kilns, 3 is even better than two
keep the adobe inside a basket, or they just splash it on ground, also the stone so they dont make well out of it , you can even dig it aroudn so they cant fit a farm there

I have already experienced someone making a farm next to the kiln.
So I planted a little farm next to the water and set up a kiln a little farther.
The side of the kiln was an inconvenient place for farming.

But I understand.
Beginners want all the facilities of the start camp to stick together.
I also understand their minds.
Anyway, the farm next to the kiln takes time but can be eliminated.

The oven base is permanent for 24 hours.

I will try the basket tips. thank.

Last edited by JS (2018-05-02 15:49:42)

JS · 2018-05-03 00:37:37

pein wrote:

keep the adobe inside a basket

result :

Most of TINY CAMP lacked an extra basket.
The reed was scarce.
If I made an Adobe archive basket, my family would take it.
(Old experience)

Last edited by JS (2018-05-03 00:44:05)

Alleria · 2018-05-03 02:45:31

I might be wrong, but I thought you can just get rid of the oven with pickaxe and water (giving you some of the adobe back). I've only had my charcoal adobe griefed once, and that's going to happen regardless of if it's in a basket or not. Could someone clarify whether oven base is permanent for 24 hours, because I had 2 kilns completely removed yesterday (not grief) and it only took a minute...

JS · 2018-05-03 02:57:18

Alleria wrote:

I might be wrong, but I thought you can just get rid of the oven with pickaxe and water (giving you some of the adobe back). I've only had my charcoal adobe griefed once, and that's going to happen regardless of if it's in a basket or not. Could someone clarify whether oven base is permanent for 24 hours, because I had 2 kilns completely removed yesterday (not grief) and it only took a minute...

Good news. XD
Can the oven be removed in exactly the same way as the Adobe walls and the Adobe pillar?

If someone builds an oven or a bass in a position that is disturbed by my kiln, I will try.

I must first make a steel pick. (O_O...)
It's easy. -BOB ROSS-

Thank you for letting me know how to do it. XD

Last edited by JS (2018-05-03 02:59:44)

pein · 2018-05-03 06:52:06

one guy let threesheeps out without wanting it, he jsut messed it up and stressed even more, wasnt a diagonal entrance, i fixed it afterwards, this is how much unlikely means in this game, if you got both things on floor, they get the stoen to make a home marker, and they click your adobe cause its on a good temperature spot, this is all it takes, can be a wood box if baskets are scarce

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