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JonySky wrote:

randomly showing player numbers

Is that supposed to prove something?

Spoonwood wrote:

  Skin color, I think, didn't change from predecessor species of homo species.

You have no idea what you are talking about, again...

a quick google search "where does black skin come from" results in:

"Due to natural selection, people who lived in areas of intense sunlight developed dark skin colouration to protect against ultraviolet (UV) light, mainly to protect their body from folate depletion. Evolutionary pigmentation of the skin was caused by ultraviolet radiation of the sun."

Go get your white face in the sahara desert sun and then complain that black people are being racist because they dont get as sunburnt as you lmao.

They have an evolutionnary advantage in that environment = RaCiSm

So fucking dumb

This is a list of "why"s that never had any answers, as it's getting hopeless for this game at this point to get any better
Why water so limited with one well for the whole town
Why food runs out SO FAST
Why is everyone forced to share EVERYTHING
Why building walls takes extreme effort and never efficient
Why only ONE BUILDING should have ONE FIRE and everyone has to share it
Why can't we have our own houses, with closets for our clothes and stoves for cooking and fridges for storage
Why can't we run our own business, our own farm, our own store
Why can't tech tree advance beyond vehicles and engines
Why property fences ownership can be shared but not doors
Why can't gate ownerships pass down to your kids
Why there is no updates to add new items, plants, animals, a few each update never hurts

This game has so much potential but it's been a long time since we've had any insight about its future, the updates don't show anything promising as if we've reached a dead end.
Maybe it's time for Jason to talk about where the game heading, what is planned for the future, and if anything is gonna change.

Because the game's development philosophy is 'everything runs out' https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=63, it's known ahead of time by any intelligent person that everything will run out in game.  Your family that you play in is doomed to die out one way or another.  Your village that you live in is doomed to collapse.  There is no suspense here.  There is no need to play to see the eventual result of things.  There is no ability to overcome the foregone conclusion.  There is no fairness to players who try to keep things going, since they *cannot* keep things going solely by their own accord (an update *will* kill off your in game family if nothing else did so; your character will die).

Last I checked people mostly like it when they didn't know the end of movies ahead of time.  They mostly like it when they didn't know the ending of a murder mystery ahead of time.  And even stories involving good vs. evil often end up more interesting when it becomes believable to the viewers that the evil forces will win.  People often are against "spoilers".

Everything runs out implies a fixed and predictable conclusion.  One of personal death.  One of family death.  One of town death.  It is all so utterly certain ahead of time.  One would have to be a fool after having read the 'Everything runs out' post to not realize the end result.  The "Everything runs out" philosophy implies the equivalent of spoilers for the end results of the game.

In the real world, the future is open and uncertain.  That uncertainty and many other uncertainties makes the real world more interesting.

No reason to make a map to a village just need to find the magical stone.

No reason to make a map to a biome just need to find the magical band.

Cant make more than one village per family because you are magically tied to a place.

Dont get me wrong some "magic" is nice like the apocalype for example that's a pretty fun concept, oh wait when was the last apocalypse?

Right there's no reason to make one because villages die in a day or two anyway.

Spoonwood wrote:

DestinyCall wrote:

Race restrictions should be removed.

Remove those and spreading out isn't an issue.  Also, spreading out can resolve the longstanding lack of rebuilding from scratch issue.

I don't see anything about "trade" on Steam, nor race restrictions.

I DO see something about rebuilding from scratch:

"Leave a legacy for the next generation as you help to rebuild civilization from scratch. "

https://store.steampowered.com/app/5956 … _One_Life/

Additionally, and more importantly, a server filled with 90%+ new players like what happened during the sale is more likely to be able to handle a world without race restrictions than one with them.

Spoon, you keep saying it's an issue we're not rebuilding from scratch, but I really don't think that's a problem. Not every player is going to be the eve that spawns in right after a map wipe. Some of us are actually going to play in that society that she gives birth to. Currently the game has a whole lot more of the first thing happening and a whole lot less of the second.

Towns quickly outgrow their resources so saying they are infinite is naive. The most important resource is time. So the larger a town grows and the more resources it depletes the more time it takes to get the resources it needs. Eventually it will take a lifetime to get some stone, or round rocks, anything basic.

Towns are built to die. No matter how hard we work. How spawns and race restrictions are structured leaves the longevity of families in the hands of jason, not us. Those 600 plus gen fams.. where they because of our hard work or because jason decided spawns should be structured 'this' or 'that' way.  If you have played long enough you should know the answer.

There are dozens of mechanisms limiting growth, limiting stability, and limiting diversity. Why? Either because jason has some fucked up ideals about how society should exist and has a hubris beyond satan's to think he can control the chaos that is humanity. Or maybe he just can't afford servers that can support serious growth.. so he limits our ability to enable that growth. With tool slots, race restrictions, a rift, iron changes, homeland changes, and now this...

Wake up people. If you have been around long enough you know whats *actually* happening with the new change. Further down the path of monotony and predictability. Jason's only response to his inability to manage and balance a living player base.

Dodge wrote:

I never said there should be a steady state, at some point it should evolve from each village doing their own thing to something more global where every civilisation that has been made lives in the world and interact with each other to progress, what even is your logic here?

Constant evolution is also a form of steady state, or appears as such on the move.  Again, the design of the game is such that families are deliberately doomed to end.  Evolution of the family doesn't really change that.  Also, it's ALWAYS "you died" at the end of an hour most, and a shorter time period otherwise.  There is no survival in the end.

Dodge wrote:

Spoonwood wrote:

how would some finite map (or even the current system when I think about it), filled with almost entirely, if not entirely, new players work?

How would it not work?

Dodge, you want to claim that such would work.  The burden of proof is thus on you.

Lack of space wasn't the problem with new players on server1 or server2 during the recent sale.

Dodge wrote:

I just explained what i value, having an end is not an issue the issue is that it's always the same pattern and nothing really ends up happening with everything being made, you make the village, the village dies, repeat.

Nothing happens after civilisations are being made they dont live in this world they only die, they dont have any story, you just make them to make them but they dont end up existing in this world and in a couple of hours build new ones again just for the sake of building new ones.

So what you value could get described as permenance?  That you could leave behind a legacy that could last?

I think you're speaking more clearly than you were before Dodge.

Dodge wrote:

Picture the start of a new world, the beginning, Eve's spawn, families are made, civilisations are built, these civilisations interact with each other in order to progress and during that progression anything can happen but eventually if we played our cards right and didn't die due to poor management of ressources or bad relationships between civilisations then we reach a point where the lineages that made it up to here are advanced in a level of tech where they can build something that allows them to escape that presumed inevitability and essentially not end up doomed, and keep going.

I think they would have to have a steady state at that point of high technology then.  I don't see how such is consistent with "Everything Runs Out" or "Evolve or Die".

Dodge wrote:

Cant migrate or make outposts because everyone is stuck birthing in their own village, lineages die in a couple of days so no point of having anything long term, you cant really make trading roads between villages because it keeps expanding into infinity so the villages dont build any history or identity and eventually get lost, interactions arent really interesting since they are based on a forced predictability, you HAVE to get latex from the brown people instead of having a choice between getting it yourself but with some sort of cost like more dangerous to be in jungle for someone that isn't native from that region or interact with brown people.

I think I agree with everything here.  It's pretty bad.

Dodge wrote:

Now what if you werent forced to interact with browns to get latex, what if you had the choice between interacting with them or getting it another way although that other way would also have it's pros and cons.

If players had such a choice, I don't see how the current game designer would be deisgning this game.  He isn't able to design a game using such methods.  And I find it doubtful that he could work well with people who know how to do such.  Not from what I've seen at least.

Dodge wrote:

Since you dont NEED them for survival it means you have the CHOICE wether or not you would make that ressource available or not and since you wouldn't strictly need them to reach end game then there would be advantages to keeping that ressource for yourself and advantages aswell in trading it, in other words it would become a decision that depends on the situation and not some forced thing that you have to do by obligation everytime, bland.

Such definitely sounds more interesting to me.  I think it might also work better for new players, since they would have more possibility of happening upon such somewhat by chance, or clumsily.

Dodge wrote:

There's 12 different servers they could all have their own story, their own world.

It's 16 different servers.  bigserver2, and servers 1 through server 15.  Sure, that looks like a minor detail.  What is not so minor is that to have different servers with their own story, the game also would need more players, or the game has to be appealing enough in itself for low populations of players.  It would also require more code.  It would also be rather different than how the current game designer runs things.  It'd probably require a different philosophy for game development.

I am surprised that jason hasnt given up on the gene score yet, so perhaps he is thinking on reworking it some day since right now its pretty much just RNG. Howerver i can see how difficult might implemente a score in general in a game that doesnt track "survival actions" that could conclude in x amounts of survival points or whatever. I think the game would be better if there wasnt a gene score in general.