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#1 Re: Main Forum » This game seems like a test of Patience » 2018-03-13 11:34:11

Being naked is absolutely a huge crutch. You need to get at least a loincloth, which alone will cut your hunger by a huge amount. Naked population explosions are where you see the food vanish within minutes and then everyone dies.

#2 Re: Main Forum » [Sustainability] Modern Survival v63 (Volume 1): FARMING, UPDATED » 2018-03-13 01:18:54

Water is definitely a bottleneck resource worth considering for food throughput, but what about time? It's difficult to calculate time because circumstances will differ wildly between places - distance to water, what way people are moving that water, etc.

I'm totally down for carrot agriculture being super important and don't need convincing about that, but it still seems like making three pies and then freeing someone to work on other stuff for 36 minutes is a better trade than them needing to run back to the carrot farm to frequently refill.

Someone with 36 minutes could pretty easily produce all the steel tech, make a massive milkweed plantation at a nearby site with water available, catch piles of rabbits to make sure clothing is available, set up buildings, build more carts than will ever be necessary, etc.

My argument is mostly that your production possibility frontier gets pushed out way more if you incorporate both rabbit pies AND carrots, versus going monoculture on carrots only.

#3 Re: Main Forum » [Sustainability] Modern Survival v63 (Volume 1): FARMING, UPDATED » 2018-03-12 22:27:33

Pies become efficient when you're making rabbit pies, and wheat becomes more like a sidegrade using an untapped resource instead of the main food method for your town.

One wheat can make three rabbit pies, and rabbit pies turn an 11 food item (The cooked rabbit) into a 60 food item.

If you're fully clothed and lose 5 hunger bars per minute, that means that one rabbit pie will sustain you for 12 minutes, or 1/5th of your lifespan.

You could put that pie in your backpack and be able to do any work not involving food at all for 12 minutes.

3 rabbit pies will sustain someone efficiently through adulthood, but it's best to chow down on carrots when you're super young or super old. So with rabbit pies you can sustain an adult with 2 water used. One for the wheat, one for the dough. For all the water that would otherwise be used on carrots, you can now put that into milkweed to make more clothes (which will reduce your need for water by reducing your hunger) and compost to make more soil for carrots/berries/milkweed.

Brute forcing carrots is by far the easiest method, but without composting it will eventually (albeit slowly, and a tribe will totally die for unrelated reasons before they run out of fresh soil) run out of fresh soil from having to reseed the carrots.

You're totally right about berry and carrot pies being a total waste, though.

#4 Re: Main Forum » How do you prevent wells from running dry? » 2018-03-12 22:21:00

Wells will fail by design. There is no margin of error for drawing out the last water from it, and this game naturally has a huge amount of player error even with people who know exactly what they're doing.

#5 Re: Main Forum » THE **NEW** OPTIMAL CARROT PLANTING (spoilers: it's 4 to 1) » 2018-03-12 04:41:13

Getting a pile of naked people working the fields is actively more harmful than just having them sitting around a fire doing nothing and limiting their food intake, but that is really boring for the naked people.

#6 Re: Main Forum » Baby spawns » 2018-03-12 02:51:00

Saw someone pop three kids and keep them all alive while I repeatedly told them "Only keep one." Five minutes later all the food was gone and the only two people who survived grabbed baskets and ran out into the woods to eat berries while the rest starved.

We waited a few minutes and came back to resume as normal.

Murdering children with bows to save everyone else seems like the right move in that sort of situation.

#7 Re: Main Forum » THE **NEW** OPTIMAL CARROT PLANTING (spoilers: it's 4 to 1) » 2018-03-12 00:48:24

shoukanjuu wrote:

Oh, all at once, then? Do wild gooseberry bushes also replenish all at once, or incrementally?

Wild gooseberries replenish one at a time, don't know the exact timing on it though.

#8 Re: Main Forum » Food Study » 2018-03-12 00:42:04

Matok wrote:

It's up to how much farm work you want to put in and if you care about getting anything else done.

The carrot death spiral is real and is what happens most of the time when people start agriculture.

#9 Re: Main Forum » THE **NEW** OPTIMAL CARROT PLANTING (spoilers: it's 4 to 1) » 2018-03-12 00:22:41

shoukanjuu wrote:

In trying to work out the needed rate of composting…do we know, what rate do domestic gooseberries replenish? Do they replenish one at a time, or all at once? I read somewhere that it takes an epoch for a bush to fully replenish, so, assuming that they come back at a rate of 10 years per berry…

If my understanding of wheat growth and replanting are correct, you would need a minimum 1 row of wheat for every 3 rows of seeding carrots, for a new compost pile every 6 minutes. So, if domestic berry regrowth is 10 minutes (still not sure about that), you would need 7 (6&2/3, really) berry bushes to support 3 rows of seeding carrots.

How much water would this take? My understanding is that ponds refill every 5 years. I believe this is just ONE increment of water? If so…it would take 20 ponds to support 12 harvesting rows of carrots, 3 seeding rows, 1 row of wheat, and 7 berry bushes (with all their berries going into a bowl every time they reach 4 berries, not waiting for 6).

This is based on the understanding that domesticated berry bushes replenish 1 additional berry every 10 years, that wheat can be harvested and replanted every 6 years, and that ponds replenish 1 portion of water every 5 years. If I am mistaken about any of that, then…edify me, please.

Domestic gooseberry bushes replenish all at once one hour after being depleted and then watered. They aren't efficient for feeding people with at all, but they are super good for making compost. As long as people don't let them sit and die they become a long lasting investment.

Water is a logistical funnel point that will determine how many people can survive in an area. It's why clothing is so incredibly important so that people need less food, and therefore less water.

#10 Re: Main Forum » Food Study » 2018-03-12 00:11:14

Wheat gives you the ability to make three pies and give you straw to make compost. Every wheat you grow will net you enough rabbit pies to feed one adult for the rest of their life and will give you a net gain of two soil if you compost. That means you can grow another berry bush and another carrot plot to be able to continue composting too.

Or you can use that extra compost to make more milkweed so you can put on pants.

Put on pants and compost.

#11 Re: Main Forum » THE **NEW** OPTIMAL CARROT PLANTING (spoilers: it's 4 to 1) » 2018-03-11 22:18:09

Going monoculture with carrots isn't the best thing to do. Three carrot patches + 1 wheat + 1 gooseberry bush allows you to make lots of compost, and then you can use excess compost to plant milkweed. Making milkweed means you'll be putting everyone in clothes, which means you don't need five carrot patches per person to keep a colony going.

#12 Re: Bug Discussion » Cannot remove seal fur coat » 2018-03-11 20:52:20

It seems like the hitbox for it is behind the character in the middle of the air instead of over the character

#13 Re: Main Forum » Chill out server » 2018-03-10 21:26:54

It's probably the knife that I made and left laying around. Not exactly the legacy I wanted to leave lol

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