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Please note the UPDATE to the original post.

A few things:

First, this is a brand new crash of some kind.  Your client should never crash.  I hope you're willing to help me find and fix this crash.  Please see the sticky thread about how to catch crashes with the debugger.

Second, if this happens, you should be able to re-launch your client and rejoin that life.  Crashing shouldn't kill you.  You are still alive server-side (this is not meant to be a "fix," but a work-around so that you don't lose that life).

Got this working.

Interesting wrinkle is what happens when you're exiled.  You are blocked from receiving the message yourself, but it is still passed down to your followers, who hear it as long as they aren't exiled themselves.  These followers are seen as dubious.

So you can exile a mid-tier leader without ruining the chain of command.  The lower-downs will still get the King's messages, and hopefully jump ship so they can stop being dubious.

I also realized this could be used to bypass the language barrier.  I'm making sure that it doesn't work that way.  You leader's orders will arrive in that leader's language.

Distance can be whatever makes sense.  Maybe 10 tiles, which is a screen wide in vanilla.

No, you wouldn't repeat the command to pass the order.  Would be automatic.  And each new order would replace the last one.  So if a king were to spam orders, most of them wouldn't get through to everyone, because there wouldn't be enough time to mingle between orders.

Punky, I did read the message board idea.... my thoughts are:

1.  I don't necessarily want to have to put an new object in the game to enable this functionality.  People would need to build it, and special code would need to work with that object (what we're suggesting here is speech-based).

2.  I'm looking to make it as convenient as possible.  Thematically, a message board is nice, but everyone has to go look at it repeatedly to keep up with the latest orders.  There are already enough hurdles to coordination in the game.  I want this to "just work" most of the time, within reason, without any extra effort on the part of players to get the latest order.

Kinrany, I did consider something like your THOUGHT version of the idea, where everyone is just forced to repeat the order as their own speech when they get around a follower who doesn't have the order yet.  KING'S ORDER:  ALL FARMERS REPORT TO THE TOWN CENTER.

However, I worry that it will be even more "noisy" than DING messages... a bunch of people repeating the same thing over and over?  Yikes.  Every time a new person walks into town, the message repeats, but everyone has to see it repeat again.  The DING messages are shown to each person once only.

Yeah, you're right about hacking this for 2-way radio by switching leaders back and forth.  Thanks for noticing that.

And long-distance communication of any kind doesn't make sense either.  I do want radio to be an out-of-reach someday tech for communicating with outposts.

Regarding being unable to escape from your mother's leader's messages as a baby, why did your mother have that leader if he was so annoying?  Unless he was waiting to unleash his lunacy on YOU, the moment you were born.  But yeah, I guess there would have to be some kind of baby unfollow if messages were unlimited.

Okay, so what about a more word-of-mouthy system?

Forget two types of orders.  Say there's only one, and it gets passed down the tree whenever possible, but ONLY passed to direct followers.

King issues ORDER, ALL FARMERS REPORT TO TOWN CENTER

Whatever Dukes are near the King get this order and see it right away.  Then they hold the order in their order slot, server-side.  When they run into one of THEIR follows, that follower gets the order, holds it, and passes it on to their own followers.

Maybe it will piggy-back speech, so you have to run into someone and talk to them, or maybe just being within some distance of them will trigger it.  You follow them?  Do they have a pending order?  Do you have that order?  If not, then take the order, display it, and hold it for your followers.

For this to work in a sensible way, there can be only one order in each person's holding-slot at a time.  It either came down from above, or you issued it yourself.  And issuing your own order would override the order from above for whichever followers haven't heard it yet.

Now, if you're a baby with a bad leader who is mouthy, you could potentially distance yourself from them so as not to hear the gibberish.  Or there really needs to be an unfollow command for babies.

Because continuing to farm on hardened rows, after farming there previously, requires 1 more soil, but only one tilling instead of two.

Establishing a farm the first time requires double tilling OR extra soil (now 3, was 2).

After that, keeping the farm going in the same spot requires 1 soil and single tilling.

So establishing a farm, or expanding it, requires more resources than maintaining the existing farm.

That makes sense.  You're preparing virgin ground for farming.  Also, it makes you think twice before expanding.  If your existing farm is just barely large enough to feed your peeps, you should stick with that... maybe.

The busy-work you speak of occurs only when expanding your farming.

Regarding the arctic change to 3 soil, it does make sense for this to work the same everywhere.  When you use extra soil instead of double-tilling, you're saying, "I'm importing a bunch of soil here, and not using the underlying soil at all."  Almost like raised-bed gardening.  Obviously, you'd need to do that in the arctic, because the ground is frozen.  But that same logic applies elsewhere, so it should work the same elsewhere.  And being able to do it with 3 or 2 was a noob trap.  And the engine didn't support only allowing it with 2 (and forcing it to 2 only, and blocking 3-soil farming, would have eliminated the non-clay farming path, which I didn't want to do).

Some other side effects.... because shallow tilled rows are blocked from the arctic, you can't re-farm the same area there (once the row hardens, that's it).  So you can grow one crop of carrots in a spot, but then that spot is blocked from re-farming.  Of course, people were asking to be able to grow trees in the arctic, which don't result in hardened rows.  So this is nice, because it makes "annual plant farming," like carrots and tomatoes, impractical in the arctic, as it should be.

There's the rabbit pouch path to farming water that requires no pottery.

But it would be a pretty pointless path if tilling a row required pottery too, to scoop soil with a clay bowl.  So that's why the 3-soil version was in there.

Granted, it's probably a pretty pointless path as it is, but it's in there.

This ties nicely with the arctic, because I really want farming to be extra hard there, so it takes 3 soil.

The 2 soil till was always kinda wasteful, because you clearly have a bowl, so why not split it?  I guess you might be saving iron or skewers...

And there was some implementation issue that made something not work about 2 soil in the arctic.... I don't remember what, exactly.  So I figured I might as well simplify the whole thing and make it 3 soil for a deep row with only one till and no clay bowl, AND have this be what it takes in the arctic.

Seems like there's some inconsistency in the way seeds decay.  Some take an hour, others 5 minutes.  I think the infinite ones take 5 minutes, and the finite ones take an hour.  I picked the wrong one for pumpkins.  Will fix.  Also will see about getting more seeds per pumpkin.

The pies can't be stored because they are custard.  They are soft and mushy.  You can't put them in a backpack or whatever.

This was intentional:

https://github.com/jasonrohrer/OneLifeD … dcb6473908

There's a typo in the commit message there, but the idea is still solid.

Also, the black X of Exile shows up on your bare skin if you aren't wearing chest clothing.

But your badge only shows up if you're wearing chest clothing.