Raw food values, Destiny this is for you.

miskas · 2020-06-24 22:32:53

3:	Gooseberry
5:	Wild Carrot
10:	Cooked Rabbit
3:	Bowl of Gooseberries
8:	Cooked Berry Pie
7:	Cooked Carrot Pie
9:	Cooked Rabbit Pie
10:	Cooked Berry Carrot Pie
16:	Cooked Berry Rabbit Pie
14:	Cooked Rabbit Carrot Pie
20:	Cooked Berry Carrot Rabbit Pie
5:	Carrot
15:	Cooked Goose
8:	Cooked Mutton
8:	Cactus Fruit
10:	Cooked Mutton Pie
7:	Burdock Root
4:	Wild Onion
1:	Psilocybe Mushroom
6:	Shucked Ear of Corn
1:	Popcorn
12:	Baked Potato
2:	Bowl of Green Beans
6:	Bowl of Sauerkraut
12:	Bowl of Stew
12:	Omelette
12:	Bowl of Cooked Beans
15:	Bean Burrito
12:	Bean Taco
10:	Bowl of Carnitas
20:	Pork Taco
5:	Bowl of Whole Milk
12:	Buttered Bread on Clay Plate
6:	Slice of Bread
3:	Bowl of Skim Milk
7:	Mango Slices
18:	Cooked Fish
7:	Banana
17:	Turkey Slice on Plate
17:	Turkey Drumstick
10:	Bowl of Turkey Broth
8:	Spoon of Ice Cream
9:	Cooked Shrimp
5:	Tomato
1:	Hot Pepper
5:	Onion
4:	Tortilla Chip
9:	Chip with Salsa
5:	French Fry
11:	French Fry with Ketchup
1:	Bunch of Cabernet Grapes
1:	Glass of Wine
9:	Sliced Pumpkin Pie
60:	Feast Plate
5:	Whole Milk Bottle
3:	Skim Milk Bottle
10:	Turkey Broth Bottle
5:	Whole Milk Pouch
3:	Skim Milk Pouch
10:	Turkey Broth Pouch
5:	Pickling Cucumber
4:	Wild Garlic
5:	Snipped Pickling Cucumber
8:	Pickle

DestinyCall · 2020-06-24 23:41:28

Ooooh shiny!

Thanks Miskas :-)

OneOfMany · 2020-06-25 01:02:16

Miskas has the best maths. I love math. What does this info mean? BTW, nice google doc.

DestinyCall · 2020-06-25 04:06:57

If I understand things correctly, these numbers are the base values of each bite of these foods BEFORE the generation based penalty is removed. In early generations, food is "worth more" than it is worth later on. In Jason's own words:

jasonrohrer wrote:

This week, a new gradual scaling system is in place: as the generations wear on for a given family, a growing value is subtracted from all food values. This value reaches a maximum of 5 after about 30 generations, and if subtracting the value would make a food 0 or negative, the food is pegged at 1. So a berry would eventually be worth 1, while a feast plate would eventually be worth 35*. A cooked rabbit would drop from 10 down to 5. You can see how this kind of adjustment affects low-value foods much more than high-value foods, in relative terms. It is a bit like the opposite of the eating bonus, which buffs low-value foods much more than high-value foods, relatively speaking.

*Note that according to One Tech, the feast plate value was changed to be 60, so it would become 55 at max degradation (not 35).

This is VERY important, because it means that the actual value of many low-pip foods drops down to just one pip over time. The higher pip value foods take the same 5 pip hit, but it has less of an impact, because they still provide a decent amount of food in each bite. Also, some foods are not really impacted at all. For example, popcorn is only worth one pip, so it can't lose any value from degradation because it has nowhere to go. From a practical standpoint, this means that many basic foods are much better in an Eve camp. Later in the game, most basic "ingredients" are almost completely useless for straight eating and should only be consumed for yum. If you want to grow you yum bonus rapidly, eat a bunch of UNIQUE low value foods. If you want to fill up your hunger bar without wasting a lot of food/resources, it is better to find a high-pip value food instead, like stew or the better pies. Feast plates are also really hefty. Just don't waste that large value by eating a feast plate when you are very young. Your belly doesn't have room for all that food.

Group 1: 1-Pip Foods

1: Popcorn
1: Bunch of Cabernet Grapes
1: Glass of Wine
1: Hot Pepper
1: Psilocybe Mushroom

2: Bowl of Green Beans

3: Skim Milk Pouch
3: Gooseberry
3: Skim Milk Bottle
3: Bowl of Gooseberries
3: Bowl of Skim Milk

4: Wild Garlic
4: Wild Onion
4: Tortilla Chip

5: Wild Carrot
5: Pickling Cucumber
5: Snipped Pickling Cucumber
5: Carrot
5: Whole Milk Pouch
5: Tomato
5: Onion
5: French Fry
5: Whole Milk Bottle
5: Bowl of Whole Milk

6: Slice of Bread
6: Bowl of Sauerkraut
6: Shucked Ear of Corn

.........

Group 2 - Low value Foods (less than 5 pips)

7: Mango Slices
7: Banana
7: Burdock Root
7: Cooked Carrot Pie

8: Pickle
8: Cooked Berry Pie
8: Cooked Mutton
8: Cactus Fruit
8: Spoon of Ice Cream

9: Cooked Rabbit Pie
9: Chip with Salsa
9: Cooked Shrimp
9: Sliced Pumpkin Pie

........

Group 3: Medium value Foods (5 to 10 pips)

10: Bowl of Carnitas
10: Bowl of Turkey Broth
10: Turkey Broth Bottle
10: Cooked Mutton Pie
10: Turkey Broth Pouch
10: Cooked Rabbit
10: Cooked Berry Carrot Pie

11: French Fry with Ketchup

12: Buttered Bread on Clay Plate
12: Baked Potato
12: Bowl of Stew
12: Omelette
12: Bowl of Cooked Beans
12: Bean Taco

14: Cooked Rabbit Carrot Pie

.........

Group 4 - High Value Foods (more than 10 pips)

15: Cooked Goose
15: Bean Burrito

16: Cooked Berry Rabbit Pie

17: Turkey Slice on Plate
17: Turkey Drumstick

18: Cooked Fish

20: Cooked Berry Carrot Rabbit Pie
20: Pork Taco

........

Group 5 - FEAST TABLE (over 50 pips)

60: Feast Plate

.......

As you can see there is a HUGE amount of variation in food value from the lowest 1-pip foods in group 1 up to the monster meal provided by the feast plate. Foods in groups 1 and 2 are basically "yum only" foods. Not really useful for filling your belly, unless you are very young. Groups 3 and 4 are potential "staple foods" that can be used to feed the village, but some foods work better than others. For example, cooked fish gives 18 pips as a base value and 13 pips after generational degradation. That's a nice amount of food ... but fishing is biome-locked AND resource limited AND heavily-RNG based. It is very hard to mass-produce cooked fish, so they are basically a novelty food. In contrast, crocks of three sisters stew are easy to mass produce and provide hearty bowls of stew that fill up your belly. Crocks of stew are also STATIONARY. Which allows you to set up a spot for stew and it will remain an area full of highly visible food.

That's why you have started to see fields of stew in many villages. It is the new berry field.

Last edited by DestinyCall (2020-06-25 04:37:41)

Arcurus · 2020-06-25 09:22:57

DestinyCall wrote:

That's why you have started to see fields of stew in many villages. It is the new berry field.

lol yea, they are now growing fast like berries everywhere...

thx@ Destiny and miskas

Last edited by Arcurus (2020-06-25 09:23:21)

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Raw food values, Destiny this is for you.

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