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#1 2019-10-13 09:52:56

miskas
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The Pro player challenge !

First of all zoom mode usage is advised.

The Challenge to be a pro:
1st Live only from renewable wild or no watered foods. (Wild berries, cactus, eggs, cooked rabbits)
2st Produce as much as you can with minimum water consumption

Btw upgrading your carts to rubber carts is better resource-wise than making new carts.
Don't let those carts decay people!

Last edited by miskas (2019-10-13 15:43:56)


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#2 2019-10-13 10:58:06

Coconut Fruit
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Re: The Pro player challenge !

miskas wrote:

Btw upgrading your carts to rubber carts is better resource-wise than making new carts.
Don't let those carts decay people!

So true, now carts with tires have 8 slots, horse with tires 8 too. It's worth making rubber room.

Last edited by Coconut Fruit (2019-10-13 10:59:36)


Making own private server (Very easy! You can play on it even if you haven't bought the game)
Zoom mod
Mini guide for beginners
website with all recipies

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#3 2019-10-13 15:09:21

DestinyCall
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Re: The Pro player challenge !

miskas wrote:

First of all zoom mode usage is advised.

The Challenge:
1st Live only from renewable wild or no watered foods. (Wild berries, cactus, eggs, cooked rabbits)
2st Produce as much as you can with minimum water consumption

I'm confused ... what part of this is supposed to be challenging?   This sounds like a normal life for me, if I'm looking for iron/ore/rubber, etc.

At least add something like "no zoom" or "no backpack" if it is suppose to be hard.    The only difficult part of surviving off no-water foods is how much more time-consuming they are to produce at scale compared with living off pies ... or even milk.

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#4 2019-10-13 15:39:15

miskas
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Re: The Pro player challenge !

I never doubt that you are a pro Destiny smile

It is a challenge for the average player and it doesn't need to be unpractical
If someone can manage to be productive without ever consuming a water-made food is a pro for me.
I would accept milk too cause it is ridiculously efficient.

Last edited by miskas (2019-10-13 15:42:48)


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#5 2019-10-13 16:07:36

DestinyCall
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Re: The Pro player challenge !

I'd add meat pies (rabbit or mutton) to the list of acceptable foods, due to high efficiency and portability.    Milk is amazing, but until we can fit a bucket of milk in our backpack, pies are still a better choice for most occupations.     Having a bucket of milk next to you while you smith (or even while you bake pies) is a great choice.   But for the efficient villager on the move, you need fast, cheap food that doesn't take much water to produce and doesn't take much time to mass-produce.    Pies are the best for that.   

Just don't touch any pie with "berry" in the name.    Berry pies are very bad, from an efficiency perspective.    Unless you go out and gather wild berries, but then you waste too much time and should have just made four rabbit pies in the same amount of time.

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It has been a while since I did the numbers, so they might have changed.   But a while back I calculated average pips per life to determine how much food the average villager needed to live for sixty minutes (one life).   The tricky part is that hunger drain is HIGHLY variable, depending on temperature.   If you are standing naked in a desert/tundra, you lose pips much faster than if you are fully decked out in top-tier clothing (wolf hat, seal coat, rabbit loincloth, rabbit shoes, and backpack) for max insulation ... or if you are standing on a low-burning fire or between two stoked slow fires to create perfect temperature.   You could be losing a pip ever two seconds or every 22 seconds .. or anywhere in between.   

If I recall correctly, I think I came up with an average consumption of 300-400 pips in one lifetime, assuming that you would try to get decent clothing as soon as it was available, but the figure is very rough.   If you run around half naked most of your life or spend too much time in extreme climates or getting bitten by mosquitoes, you'll average higher.   

Anyways, if you assume 400 pips per life, that works out to about three buckets of milk per life if you intentionally avoid eating ANY other food (other than mother's milk).   Or 7 meat pies.   Or 21 omelettes.  Or 40 cooked rabbits.  Or 80 wild berries (or 13 full bowls of berries).

As you can see, if you try to live off completely water-free foods like berries and rabbits and omelettes, you'll be spending a lot more precious time cooking and hunting/gathering, compared with just taking the time to milk a cow a few times or bake a run of pies to shove in your backpack. 

Here is as a link to some food stats complied by Cox a while ago:   

https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6433

The chart he created has a nice breakdown of water efficiency by food.   Not all foods are listed, but it gives you a pretty good idea about some of the major players.   Pay close attention to the foods that show up on the BOTTOM of that list.    Anything with an efficiency ranking less than one is worse than eating domestic berries.    Try to avoid making foods that consume more water than berry-munching.  It's not worthwhile and drains one of the village's key resources.

These foods include ketchup/salsa, tacos, green beans/cooked beans, shucked ear of corn, tortilla chips, and carrots/onions/tomatoes.

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#6 2019-10-13 16:11:35

DestinyCall
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Re: The Pro player challenge !

I should also add ... WEAR CLOTHES.   

I touched on this point briefly, but the better job you do of maintaining a good temperature, the less food you need to consume over the entirety of your life.   Being naked is a huge drain on your village's food supply.   This goes for you personally, but it also applies to everyone else in the village.   

This is why making enough clothing is so vital for stabilizing the village's food supply.    If everyone is running around buck-naked, you need to spend twice as much time and energy producing food to cover the extra hunger needs of your population.    If everyone is fully clothed from birth, they eat less and work more.

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