VOG water pump survey

jasonrohrer · 2019-05-06 20:11:39

I saw lots of villages today with Newcomen pumps, so that's good. I saw one go dry, less experienced players try to get water from it for a while, and then finally an experienced player loaded up the charcoal and fired it. In the mean time, the bushes around it were looking pretty sad. So, that was a cool moment.

People had cisterns too, sometimes a bunch, so I think they were carting water from ponds to augment. That's also good.

I never saw a diesel water pump, nor an exhausted Newcommen pump.

I guess this means that any town that gets to that point dies out, huh?

Has anyone personally experienced a Newcommen pump exhausting? What happened?

I still need to implement an automated object survey for each server.

Ari-ori-412 · 2019-05-06 20:18:39

You could have someone help you with the surveys while you setup a automated system and no i haven't experienced a pump exhausting but i did see a exhausted pump recently.

Matbat · 2019-05-06 20:25:26

Newcommen pump broke on me in cabbage town (in gen 10)
There was a glaring problem wherein accidentally clicking the broken pump once will dismantle it with no hope of re-construction. Because I clicked the broken pump I essentially forced my town to skip kerosene pump and rush oil and engine before the ponds and nearby springs ran out.
But nice thing was I sorta needed that whole tower for the newcommen machine to start making engines.. that's a plus I guess?

Cabbage town lived to gen 34 so I'm assuming they made it to engine shortly after I died or else they wouldn't have made it so long.

(Suggestion here is just allow reconstruction of tower if you accidentally touch the broken well, allowing for upgrade to kerosene instead of forcing engine if error occurs.)

jasonrohrer · 2019-05-06 20:31:10

No, Matbat, there was just a misunderstanding there.

Once the pump exhausts, it can't be upgraded to kero. You didn't ruin anything. Kero and Charcoal pumps both have the same "depth."

You can upgrade to Kero before it exhausts, which will give you more water per pumping, but won't change the odds of it exhausting.

Dodge · 2019-05-06 20:31:21

Could take an automated long view screenshot of every well-deep well-pump etc. To get a quick view of villages at regular intervals.

Since now there should only be a limited amount of them and they should match with town centers or at least the center of farms

Matbat wrote:

Newcommen pump broke on me in cabbage town (in gen 10)
There was a glaring problem wherein accidentally clicking the broken pump once will dismantle it with no hope of re-construction. Because I clicked the broken pump I essentially forced my town to skip kerosene pump and rush oil and engine before the ponds and nearby springs ran out.
But nice thing was I sorta needed that whole tower for the newcommen machine to start making engines.. that's a plus I guess?
Cabbage town lived to gen 34 so I'm assuming they made it to engine shortly after I died or else they wouldn't have made it so long.
(Suggestion here is just allow reconstruction of tower if you accidentally touch the broken well, allowing for upgrade to kerosene instead of forcing engine if error occurs.)

Well that gets exhausted cant be upgraded to kerosene that's on purpose, both wells have the same depth, kerosene is just more practial than charcoal.

Thaulos · 2019-05-06 20:34:45

We had an apocalypse so towns might still catching up.

In my lives today (not sure if both before or after) I had one exhausted pump after filling about one cistern. We were nowehre near the next stage of technology. The fact that most towns now have these is not actually a good thing. I'm having to do water related stuff every life now, and that now includes rushing newcomen workshop, oil and diesel engine.

I've seen people just make horses with carts, load them up with well kit and try to harvest wells farther away. It's just too rushed.

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Tarr · 2019-05-06 20:42:25

I would hope there's no diesel engines three hours after the apocalypse. Our town didn't even get sheep before we had to switch over to the newcomen pump in generation six which seems really really early.

Where as before you might start the oil grind around gen 20+ we were prepped to start around gen 7. I feel like this level of rushing sort of removes mid game and doesn't really put any pressure on late game (unless late game is supposed to start two hours into a lineages run.)

BladeWoods · 2019-05-06 21:18:59

jasonrohrer wrote:

No, Matbat, there was just a misunderstanding there.
Once the pump exhausts, it can't be upgraded to kero. You didn't ruin anything. Kero and Charcoal pumps both have the same "depth."
You can upgrade to Kero before it exhausts, which will give you more water per pumping, but won't change the odds of it exhausting.

That's a little weird, I and I think most people expected charcoal => kerosene => diesel in a linear fashion

thundersen · 2019-05-06 21:25:17

I haven't seen a genuine water crisis so far. I exhausted two Newcomen pumps, but both times we had at least three full cisterns. One town had a crisis incoming with a dry deep well, but we built the Newcomen before I died.

I haven't gotten to oil after the apoc, but I guess the oil tower could be run from any spring or ponds close to the tarry spot. So you don't depend on the water you stocked up before.

Place the springs in an irregular pattern instead of a grid and a little further apart (like 100, not 1000) and it should be fine IMO.

jasonrohrer · 2019-05-06 21:39:09

Yeah, I just now realized that an apocalypse happened!

Regarding the linear upgrade sequence, it just feels weird that slapping a burner into the boiler would suddenly fix an exhausted well.

Grim_Arbiter · 2019-05-06 22:19:23

Im glad I'm taking a break from this game right now.. Sounds like all kinds of jank is goin on.

You're only as strong as your weakest link, and you've just made everyone double time to try and be faster and stronger.. but we still have the weak link of people that dont know the tech.

If your seriously making the diesel pump the ONLY thing that can keep a village from dehydration, and therefore basically forcing me to learn that ONE piece of tech, then I think I quit.

Booklat1 · 2019-05-06 22:31:51

Grim_Arbiter wrote:

Im glad I'm taking a break from this game right now.. Sounds like all kinds of jank is goin on.
You're only as strong as your weakest link, and you've just made everyone double time to try and be faster and stronger.. but we still have the weak link of people that dont know the tech.
If your seriously making the diesel pump the ONLY thing that can keep a village from dehydration, and therefore basically forcing me to learn that ONE piece of tech, then I think I quit.

thats absolutely no true, you can still migrate. Nothhing ever stops you to find a swamp and raise you family there for few gens.

Spoonwood · 2019-05-06 22:35:14

JasonRohrer wrote:

I never saw a diesel water pump, nor an exhausted Newcommen pump. I guess this means that any town that gets to that point dies out, huh?

I've seen multiple exhausted deep wells(which look like a dry shallow well, but are not), since that's what remains after a newcomen pump dies and the parts get removed. I played in generation 18 as Harriette (LOL... I was a man dammit!) in the Pie family: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=4352759 I made an oil rig and banged out distiller parts, and some lady older than me I think completed everything for a diesel engine. The family lasted to generation 31, so I would expect that someone finished a diesel water pump soon enough after, though I don't know for sure.

Edit: There were NO well clusters in that family as I saw, as after the update I only played on bigserver2 towns without well clusters.

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Spoonwood · 2019-05-06 22:46:44

Grim_Arbiter wrote:

Im glad I'm taking a break from this game right now.. Sounds like all kinds of jank is goin on.
You're only as strong as your weakest link, and you've just made everyone double time to try and be faster and stronger.. but we still have the weak link of people that dont know the tech.
If your seriously making the diesel pump the ONLY thing that can keep a village from dehydration, and therefore basically forcing me to learn that ONE piece of tech, then I think I quit.

The game still needs good cooks, good farmers, good sheep tenders or pen makers, good iron gatherers, good milkweed gatherers/farmers, and good town organizers. And milk is still good efficiency wise and doesn't use up much water for how much food it produces (at least for men who can't use yum as much as women can). As someone else suggested get a rubber cart and 6 buckets. With a clay bowl in your backpack you can find a bunch of ponds, or a well site and bring water back to the farm at home. Your town doesn't have that many buckets or you shouldn't take them out of town? Well carpenters is another thing that towns need to some extent.

Grim_Arbiter · 2019-05-06 22:49:04

Booklat1 wrote:

thats absolutely no true, you can still migrate. Nothhing ever stops you to find a swamp and raise you family there for few gens.

I know some people are into the nomad thing, but not me.

We really all could all forge off wild foods and grow to be 60 with ease. When there was that broken update a couple months ago, where every object disappeared and there was no point to build anything, I had a family go 10 gens being nomadic.

The point of a town is not to have to be a nomad. Towns already die enough from resources (most renewable)that run dry. You might as well have every village that makes and uses a pump have a 1/20 chance of being invaded by unkillable bears everytime. Youd see the same effect.

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Bob 101 · 2019-05-07 02:49:16

jasonrohrer wrote:

No, Matbat, there was just a misunderstanding there.
Once the pump exhausts, it can't be upgraded to kero. You didn't ruin anything. Kero and Charcoal pumps both have the same "depth."
You can upgrade to Kero before it exhausts, which will give you more water per pumping, but won't change the odds of it exhausting.

Don't worry someone made oil and we built a fresh Kero pump to the west.

breezeknight · 2019-05-08 08:22:16

are the Multipurpose Newcomen Engines finally moveable now ?

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Solbusaur · 2019-05-08 18:51:28

I saw an exhausted newcomen pump, and everyone there was very unprepared. They had just got a Multipurpose, and they were panicking that there was no more water. Even so, there was no way they could get an oil drill up in time.

Instead of a random chance of it running dry, we need warning. Can it please just move slowly through phases that make it clear it will be dry in a few generations, so players have a sense of urgency. If it just suddenly goes dry, there's not much the town can really do in time before everything starves

DaTrüf! · 2019-05-09 02:38:25

jasonrohrer wrote:

I saw lots of villages today with Newcomen pumps, so that's good. I saw one go dry, less experienced players try to get water from it for a while, and then finally an experienced player loaded up the charcoal and fired it. In the mean time, the bushes around it were looking pretty sad. So, that was a cool moment.
People had cisterns too, sometimes a bunch, so I think they were carting water from ponds to augment. That's also good.
I never saw a diesel water pump, nor an exhausted Newcommen pump.
I guess this means that any town that gets to that point dies out, huh?

Has anyone personally experienced a Newcommen pump exhausting? What happened?

I still need to implement an automated object survey for each server.

A few towns that have a diesel water pump, there was an apoc recently and everything wiped, so give it a while....

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