DoN'T ShEAr ThE LAst ShEeP oR i KilllLLLl!

Mushroom · 2019-03-02 20:02:06

Recently, there have been several threads about types of players that you meet in the game. Pretty amusing I must say.

I'd like to talk about one particular type that just grinds my gears - the TRYHARD
I mean, I know how it feels to get pissed in the game, oh I do... but you still have to remember it is A FUCKING GAME about drawn nude starving children. People tend to bitch about:

- role-playing - for example: yelling at other players that are just chatting for not working
- small mistakes like watering carrots or digging one goddamn grave ("Ur WaStiNG ShOVeL HURR")
- children eating something else than berries/popcorn
- generally eating fucking anything besides stew or pies by adults

And don't get me wrong - I KNOW that these activities may lower the efficiency of town development, but for the love of god - I just hate when someone gets pissed about planting one potato in a huge town, that has everything set up, has food everywhere, has huge ammount of iron and wood - LIKE IT MADE A DIFFERENCE

There is also another thing, which might be a bit controversial, but I just hate when people get obsessed like this even when someone commits huge crime like murder or stealing. I witnessed examples of players that can spend their entire one hour for chasing that one dude who killed some random kid or took their stuff. Also, they curse, convince others to curse, convince their FUCKING NEWBORN BABIES to curse when they get older.

Please, calm the fuck down, and maybe I will, too xD

I adress this to all players that tend to loose their temper about things I mentioned before: always have that little reminder in the back of your head that this is just a game. Also, always think about the thing you are about to bitch about - "is it really that bad?" "Did it just ruin your town or your plans?"

Try to fucking talk with people, even with murderes - maybe offer them a chance of redemption or fair trial, I don't know. A bit of role-play can't hurt and maybe it can erase some of the toxicity.

Huh, I just caught myself on bitching about someone bitching constantly, funny...

karltown_veteran · 2019-03-02 20:26:12

Mushroom wrote:

People tend to bitch about role-playing - for example: yelling at other players that are just chatting for not working

Thank you! Also, once someone killed me for trying to make a ride out of road blocks... c h i l l.

Aurora Aurora · 2019-03-02 20:29:12

Mushroom wrote:

- role-playing - for example: yelling at other players that are just chatting for not working

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BaronOfRed · 2019-03-02 21:02:37

Mushroom wrote:

- generally eating fucking anything besides stew or pies by adults

I understand food efficiency and yum bonus. Sometimes, I just don't really care. One of those times somebody tried to kill me for eating berries.

There were three of us left in a fairly advanced town that our Eve mom had stumbled upon. Multiple sheep, horse cart, cistern and pump, plenty of food of various types. Problem was, mom died and all of us were male. I was twins with a new friend and was helping him get started farming. We had a decent enough patch, more than enough to sustain the tiny lot of us without anything else.

I had a grand vision of this town being something great someday with expansive fields of various crops that we spent our lives building. But first things first, my friend had to learn things one at a time. He had to go afk and I was feeding him. Around this time a miracle walked into camp, a random female! She's helping us with getting the berry farm started, collecting odd things. Third guy came over and told me to stop planting berry bushes and stop eating the berries. I really don't care because our family is dead anyway, and told him to pull the stick out. "WaStE of ReEEEEesources! Not Peeeeeople food! We have pies!! We have stew!! Reeee!" (I can't stress enough how ridiculously much we had in this town for the four of us. It would have taken concentrated effort on all our parts to intentionally waste enough resources to put us anywhere near danger. On top of that, it was already set up to be fully sustainable. Which... made it the perfect place to treat it like the tutorial and just pig out on berries while teaching a new friend the ropes.)

This guy apparently took it really personal. He ran off and came back with a knife, but fortunately missed. I headed to the wilds, surviving on scraps and forage for a few years. Of course, in running from the madman I had to let my twin starve to death. End up piecing together all the parts to exact revenge with a bow and arrow, though. Came back to merc the kid. He just laughed maniacally and called me all kind of names before finally croaking.

The new girl had seen him try to kill me and this whole time is just carrying on doing her thing not saying a word. I head back over to my berry farm and she's just chillin' there. Tell her I'm sorry she had to see that. She replies that she guesses she's my wife now and smiles. I gave the girl everything I had and wished her well to go respawn with my twin.

I mean, really? I would have moved on to doing something else once my twin had a sufficient understanding of what was going on. But after the way that guy approached that situation it really made me want to plant berry bushes as far as the eye can see.

fragilityh14 · 2019-03-02 21:14:41

there's not even anything inherently wrong with shearing the last sheep, the poop and babies get to be a mess.

of course, now that unsheered to sheered produces dung, maybe this will be less of a thing.

This type of player is super annoying. Also now that I know how to smith and do a lot of iron gathering, iron is not _that_ scarce, nor is making a shovel head labor intensive. A person certainly shouldn't bury all the dead and leave the only shovel broken, but we have people making tracks for no reason, we can bury dead. It does actually suck having huge fields of corpses near town.

voy178 · 2019-03-02 21:22:14

Bury the dead if you must, but you're hauling that iron from 1000 tiles away next time.

fragilityh14 · 2019-03-02 21:43:59

voy178 wrote:

Bury the dead if you must, but you're hauling that iron from 1000 tiles away next time.

I go on quite a lot of iron expeditions, and there is commonly tons of iron not that far away in civs 30 gens or more old.

But I do sometimes travel 1000 tiles for a load. But that's 15 iron, and each iron is only half an iron if you recycle

Of course, there is some iron use in horse carts, which are lost sometimes. But for the most part, a talented male can bring back with 15 iron and 4 new baskets for the cost of a couple of pies. 30 people on average buried per iron.

it is kind of frivolous, but hauling the bodies and having big gravepiles does cost more than nothing. Though i'm confused, the wiki shows bonepile taking two hours and buried grave taking two hours yet in the text it says burying it reduces the time by an hour.

voy178 · 2019-03-02 22:23:16

Don't you think there is merit in teaching new players to conserve iron rather than saying it's not a problem at all? Also, remember to tell people to bury the bones inside the village proper too for optimal frustration.

happynova · 2019-03-02 22:38:33

Of course, there's yelling and berating people (or murdering them) for not being maximally efficient, and then there's reasonably explaining to them how sheep work, or why burying every body isn't really the best idea, or that there are things other than berries it's better for them to eat, because much of the time they simply don't know. But when people don't want to listen, or actually get angry or tell you to get lost when you try to teach or explain or make a request, loss of temper is kind of understandable, especially given how interconnected everyone's well-being is in this game and how important being willing to learn from others is. It's also understandable when the clueless newbie just broke your only shovel burying a thousand corpses and you have no more iron and now you can't make compost and are possibly about to spiral into famine, but it's an impulse better resisted, if you can manage it. (I confess, I myself don't always manage it. I especially find it annoyingly hard to stay understanding and polite when people are refusing to move from in front of the forge, or using the last of our soil to plant still more berries when the 6,000 berries we already have are languishing. Because some things really do just make you want to scream and pound your head on the keyboard. But I try to remind myself to try.)

Frustrating as they can be to deal with, though, I'll take a clueless newbie who's willing to listen over a veteran player who regularly hurls abuse at people for spending two seconds talking instead of working or stabs people for making mistakes, any day. But I'll take the over-zealous pro over the person who tells me to fuck off and not tell them what to do when I gently point out that it's generally better not to waste food by eating a constant diet of mutton pies as a toddler, because that's something they really ought to know if they're going to keep playing.

Of course, the character limit makes everything harder. Being the long-winded person I am, what I want to say is probably something like, "Hi! Sorry to butt in, but it looks like maybe you're kinda new, and I wanted to let you know... Burying bodies seems like it ought to be a good thing to do, but it puts a lot of wear and tear on the shovel, and iron to make shovels is a limited resource. We're really low on iron right now, especially, and if the shovel breaks we're in trouble, because it's needed to keep the compost going. So it'd be better if you don't bury any more, OK? Thanks! Really the best thing to do, usually, is just to take the bodies well outside of town and leave them there, because they don't hurt anything, aside from taking up space, and they'll eventually decay. If you still want to help with gravekeeping, just collecting bodies and carrying them out of town would be super useful. That's always a helpful job, and people never do it often enough! I recommend only actually burying people if you've got a special reason to do so, though. Like, if your mom was awesome and you want to make a grave to remember her by, that's cool. But it's better to let the rest of these people lie. Thanks so much! Hey, if you need help with anything, let me know." It's a bit hard to convey all that if you can only type a couple words at a time, and "WAIT!/PLS DONT/BURY BODIES/BREAKS SHOVEL" doesn't have quite the same friendly tone to it, even with that "PLS," especially when they don't know about tools breaking and the shovel they've been using seems absolutely fine, so they don't necessarily even now what the heck you're going on about.

Mushroom · 2019-03-02 23:57:54

I understand your frustration in the situations you mentioned, but as I said - you should always think about the case in the way if it affects the village in a bad way significantly. When somebody breaks the last shovel on potato when there is no compost and you explain him why he shouldn't do that and get mad - it's not being a tryhard, it's common sense. I was actually mentioning the situations when the "crime" doesn't really hurt the village. Why can't a single baby have a mutton pie when there are hundreds around? The food isn't really an issue in developed towns so there is no reason to get so mad.

Also, as I said, it still is a stupid game and it should mostly bring you joy, not frustration. Sure, you will get frustrated many times, sometimes maybe it will be so bad that you will quit the game for some time, but why you should add some more, unneccecary stress? Why pour that extra stress on other players? For me, in 90% of the cases the anger is NOT understandable. It just raises the level of toxicity.

Also I forgot - it is super annoying when some tryhard carries all the god damn knives in a backpack. Jesus Christ! Yesterday I saw a guy with four knives in his backpack and one in his apron. I asked him to leave some for others - there are none in the kitchen for fuck sake. "KnIvES ArE DanGErOuS, i NeED tO PrOTeCt FrOM grIFeRS!!11"

Peremptive · 2019-03-03 00:12:00

well iron should always be conserved. there is no reason to make a grave, it only destroys the shovel and blocks the tile, it is pretty much griefing. there are many simple ways to grief in this game like destroying tools, feeding others all the berries, eating pies as a child, hiding pies and other items. I don't have the time to watch you for half an hour to make sure you are griefing. If I see you doing any of those things and I have a knife, I will most likely stab you and ask later. The risk of one griefer is too great.

I don't understand why you want to mess with the village and waste resources others gathered and brought for everyone. If you want to fuck around, go get two stacks of iron for the village, bring a stack or two of kindling and some long shafts, make some shovels and break half of them if you want.

voy178 · 2019-03-03 00:16:59

Jason ought to make tools more durable to allow for mistakes. Not by a lot, but hey one or two graves here and there wont matter then.

CrazyEddie · 2019-03-03 00:50:06

Peremptive wrote:

eating pies as a child

It's more efficient to eat mutton pies than berries, even if you are a child.

This surprised me, but if you run the numbers it's clear as a bell.

Nobody knows this, of course, and it runs counter to the common wisdom. But it's true.

BaronOfRed · 2019-03-03 01:08:32

Peremptive wrote:

If I see you doing any of those things and I have a knife, I will most likely stab you and ask later
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If you want to fuck around, go get two stacks of iron for the village, bring a stack or two of kindling and some long shafts, make some shovels and break half of them if you want.

It wouldn't matter if I'm the one who gathered all the supplies if you're not going to stop to ask the question. That paranoid, elitist, jump-to-conclusions attitude is precisely what's (rightly) being ridiculed ITT.

happynova · 2019-03-03 01:54:28

Peremptive wrote:

If I see you doing any of those things and I have a knife, I will most likely stab you and ask later. The risk of one griefer is too great.

Since stabbing people for things that are common newbie mistakes without even asking them what they're doing or warning them that they need to stop looks like (and arguably is) griefing, marking you out as a risk as well, then hopefully you are also OK with people stabbing you when you do it.

Peremptive · 2019-03-03 02:05:11

I don't always have a knife (or usually try to get one). If things are chill and the town has surplus I will make an effort to ask.
making graves is not a common newbie mistake. Feeding others berries at random is not something anyone would do. Picking up a basket of pie is not something noobs would do. It is so easy to grief in this game, if you see someone being sketchy better do something about it. I couldn't be happier when someone just stabbed the shithead griefer feeding half the village berries with so many people just ignoring it.

happynova · 2019-03-03 02:26:43

Peremptive wrote:

making graves is not a common newbie mistake. Feeding others berries at random is not something anyone would do. Picking up a basket of pie is not something noobs would do.

Oh, they totally, totally are. I've watched a whole bunch of vids/streams of people playing this game for the first time, and it's amazing how many of them start burying graves early on. It's an easy thing to figure out how to do, I guess, and it seems useful or at least tidy, if you don't know why it's a problem. People do it and think they've hit on a way to help. (That, and grabbing an axe and chopping down random trees seem to be two of the earliest, easiest "Look, I'm doing a thing! I'm helping!" actions that get newbies into trouble.) It's much less common, but they also occasionally discover by accident that they can feed people and think it's a nice thing to do, or at least that it's harmlessly entertaining. And I say that as someone who has, indeed, stabbed people, more than once, for doing that after they've been warned not to, because it drives me absolutely freaking crazy. Newbies also pick up all kinds of random crap and carry it around and dump it in stupid spots when they get distracted or don't know what to do with it. If they're actually hiding pies behind a tree, you can probably safely assume they're griefing. If they pick it up, carry it around for a while, and drop it four tiles out of town, who the heck knows?

Seriously, watching actual brand-new players coming into the game without knowing what they're doing, and getting to hear what's going through their mind as they do the random stuff they do, is really, really illuminating, especially if it's been a long time since you started yourself, or if you're one of those people who did tons of homework before you ever hit login the first time. I recommend it as an exercise.

Peremptive · 2019-03-03 03:28:47

happynova wrote:

Seriously, watching actual brand-new players coming into the game without knowing what they're doing, and getting to hear what's going through their mind as they do the random stuff they do, is really, really illuminating, especially if it's been a long time since you started yourself, or if you're one of those people who did tons of homework before you ever hit login the first time. I recommend it as an exercise.

I've only been playing for about 2 months. I was a noob until recently and remember spending quite some time just tending berries and learning some farming and baking. I don't remember picking up random tools and trying to use them, because I realized that making tools seems quite complicated and I don't know how to do it. So better not mess with it. I also don't remember stealing food for three people. I would go out of town to forage so as not to burden the town because I felt that being a noob I was just eating up resources.
I understand your point and I do try to talk with people first. But every so often it seems to me, better to risk killing an unthoughtful and wasteful noob than to risk letting a griefer roam.

happynova · 2019-03-03 05:37:38

Peremptive wrote:

I understand your point and I do try to talk with people first. But every so often it seems to me, better to risk killing an unthoughtful and wasteful noob than to risk letting a griefer roam.

Fair enough! Sometimes there are indeed situations where it's the necessary call. I just hate to see people make shooting first and asking questions later the automatic default. Because bless those of you who are careful with things from the start, but a lot of people do leap in and try to start doing stuff before they know what they're doing or how easy it is to mess things up. And punishing them for trying to play and being bad at it rather than helping them get good at it isn't really helpful, and can even piss them off to the point where they start griefing when they wouldn't otherwise, since they feel like they're playing with stabby jerks who hate them. Meaning that if you're too trigger-happy, you may be contributing to the problem, in the slightly longer term, rather than stopping it. And in my experience, most of the time it's actually not too hard to tell the difference between malice and incompetence in ambiguous situations like that if you're able to take a few moments to talk to the person, and maybe keep an eye on them for a bit afterward. (Of course, some noobs are assholes as well as being noobs. Those are usually also easy to spot, and genuinely satisfying to stab.)

I also wasn't kidding or being snarky about how, if you really do think that not giving people the benefit of the doubt when they do things that look like they might be malicious is the sensible thing, you ought to be okay with being taken down yourself when you stab somebody for stuff like that. Heck, when I kill even someone who is very obviously griefing, unless it's someone the entire town has decided to go after, I pretty much resign myself to the thought that I might be sacrificing myself by doing it.

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futurebird · 2019-03-03 06:05:54

Today I taught one of my kids to left and right click and that soil must go before water.
He (she?) seemed really pleased with getting things to work at last. It's rewarding to help people out.

My in-game son was just standing and eating and saying "food??????" I hate to think a nice person could have been stabbed.

Most people have been nice to me. I'm still kind of new (started playing about two weeks ago)

Today, I messed up a sheep pen and the baby sheep started leaking out. I thought I was making it bigger, I made it worse. I also learned most of how to make soup and broth. I'm excited to try it. I may make mistakes, that's part of the game, though?

MultiLife · 2019-03-03 10:22:03

Yeahh, it's good to be efficient and limit wasting things, but it's ridiculous to expect everyone to be at 100% all the time in a game. Everyone has the right to be as productive as they want to be, and sometimes it is really beneficial to take a moment to stop, talk and observe what is going on.

I had a tryhard in one of my lives. I was the last girl in a camp with 4 males. There was a pair of adult twin men, named Lion & Tiger. They were doing things all the time, farming and expanding the camp. The farm was huge already and another man was making pies. However, the camp had zero iron left, and I was capable of smithing anything we'd need.
At 10 years old, I told Lion we have no iron, wondering if he'd get some with his backpack. His answer "get some then". He was about to send a 10 year old last girl of the camp out to get iron. Wow. All the expanding he was doing for the camp would be going down the drain if I went out and died.

So I did go out to get iron. Wondering what he'd say if I came back with a wolf bite (no meds, early camp). However, I was too capable of a player and survived, coming back home before getting kids.
I made iron and steel and started to get tools in as I popped out kids. I made sure I show off the camp and where things are so the kids wouldn't have to run around scouting. When Lion saw this going on, he said "Roleplaying, again", whining about it. Baby tours are roleplaying? Dafuq.

I had made tools, we especially needed a shovel (Lion whined about the lack of shovels); the first one I made got really bad RNG and broke at minimum use. Lion came to the smithy and whined "Still no shovel". I explained that I had one and it broke. He didn't listen. I explained again. He just wanted more shovels. Well maybe I could smith one if you let me work and shut your mouth. Or got me iron in the first place.
I was super efficient that life, but nothing was enough for him. He would whine, criticize and demand things while expanding the wheat farm to eighth tile as dozen pies sat on the bakery floor. We did not need food as much as we needed other things, yet he kept going at it. We had no sheep, even. There was a tiny empty pen waiting for sheep or expanding.

I did wonder if I should just say "Hi Lion. You've been such a pain you've honestly ruined my motivation so I'm going out to die, bye!" and be done with it. He had zero gratitude for me and expected that I'm doing nothing when I was breaking my back helping the camp. His whining made it so hard to not just suicide. But I lived, for the nicer Tiger and the other men, and mom.

I had asked others to help with ore but out of the 4 males, one died on his travels, one kept making pies and disappeared, and the last two were the food twins.

In the end, I birthed a small bundle of kids with a good daughter to continue the line, I had made pretty much all tools, got more ore, got sheep, showed a grandson where iron vein is and made firewood. It really feels bad when you get just critique and no recognition. Even false accusations that I was "RoLePlAyInG" when I toured babies as charcoal was being made... I literally wasted no time - only when Lion was whining to me about whatever. Every single second was productive otherwise, whether it was me explaining things to babies or me coordinating with the men trying to get iron.

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breezeknight · 2019-03-03 10:46:30

i played once where i was a kid of a mother who stabbed my brother, so her own kid because he ate a pie instead of berries

i told her in my limited vocabulary of a kid that killing is worse than eating the wrong stuff

& indeed i doubt it that pies are only for adults & berries are only for kids & elders
more or less i keep to that but life in OHOL is hard, especially in a beginner camp,
players should keep in mind that efficiency is not everybody's forte, one doesn't need to be outright a griefer to do the "wrong" things & one should remember, this is indeed still a game & ought to be fun & not a chore

what this game foremost needs are new players & new players will do the wrong things, that's inevitable, either on purpose or because of lack of knowledge
if every player shows some leniency the game will be more enjoyable for a wider audience,
it's a survival game, the game itself should at least survive as well, it's in the interest of every OHOL player

Mushroom · 2019-03-03 11:04:11

Peremptive wrote:

well iron should always be conserved. there is no reason to make a grave, it only destroys the shovel and blocks the tile, it is pretty much griefing. there are many simple ways to grief in this game like destroying tools, feeding others all the berries, eating pies as a child, hiding pies and other items. I don't have the time to watch you for half an hour to make sure you are griefing. If I see you doing any of those things and I have a knife, I will most likely stab you and ask later. The risk of one griefer is too great.
I don't understand why you want to mess with the village and waste resources others gathered and brought for everyone. If you want to fuck around, go get two stacks of iron for the village, bring a stack or two of kindling and some long shafts, make some shovels and break half of them if you want.

You are exactly the kind of person I wanted to adress this post. You treat this game like it was a fucking job. How come you decide what feature added to the game like graves is griefing? People like you seem to be getting a stroke everytime they see a neb/someone playing for fun. Graves are fun. If making them equals ruining your village then alright, but honnestly, how many times have you been in a town that died out because someone broke the last shovel and everyone died? When there is a situation like that in my games, I usually just venture out for iron and save the village, even when iron is far away. Just use the god damn horse, that's what they are for. Also expecting everyone to be 100% efficient is plan stupid for two reasons:

- it is hard not to make mistakes, even when you are not new. Shit, I am here since May last year and I still sometimes brake stuff by accident. Noobs will make more of them and there is no reason to stab them for it if it's not an Eve camp when you have to be very efficient.

- people DON'T WANT to be 100% efficient, even when they know how to. As I said before, most of the people play for fun. If "fucking around" makes them enjoy the game more, then there is no reason to punish them for that. Just chill...

It is just hillarious to see someone stabbing people without hesitation when they THINK that someone is a griefer after they made a grave/potato farm.

Tarr · 2019-03-03 11:45:59

Mushroom wrote:

You are exactly the kind of person I wanted to adress this post. You treat this game like it was a fucking job. How come you decide what feature added to the game like graves is griefing? People like you seem to be getting a stroke everytime they see a neb/someone playing for fun. Graves are fun. If making them equals ruining your village then alright, but honnestly, how many times have you been in a town that died out because someone broke the last shovel and everyone died? When there is a situation like that in my games, I usually just venture out for iron and save the village, even when iron is far away. Just use the god damn horse, that's what they are for. Also expecting everyone to be 100% efficient is plan stupid for two reasons:
- it is hard not to make mistakes, even when you are not new. Shit, I am here since May last year and I still sometimes brake stuff by accident. Noobs will make more of them and there is no reason to stab them for it if it's not an Eve camp when you have to be very efficient.
- people DON'T WANT to be 100% efficient, even when they know how to. As I said before, most of the people play for fun. If "fucking around" makes them enjoy the game more, then there is no reason to punish them for that. Just chill...
It is just hillarious to see someone stabbing people without hesitation when they THINK that someone is a griefer after they made a grave/potato farm.

The shovel is the only tool in game that both is required constantly to keep the village going and has one of the least amount of uses. Making one pile of compost has a 10% chance on pick of poop and a 10% when putting poop into the compost pile to use a charge. You have to compost constantly to keep up with the soil demand or you'll end up with mass famine when the berry farms turn brown.

Fetching iron isn't fun. It's one of the most boring jobs early to mid game especially if you don't have a horse or cart to speed up the collection of the stuff in the first place. This is only made worse by the fact an iron ore has a 1.43% chance per badlands tile (unless in the jackpot areas) to spawn so most of the time you're walking through useless badlands on your search. Doing a 2.5 half minute walk to find iron then another 2.5 minute walk home isn't exciting but it's something you have to do.

Combine one of the more boring tasks in the game (collecting iron) with needing a constant stream of shovels throughout your life makes shovel griefing one of the more annoying things on the list of things you can do. So sure you might have fun planting potatoes (after they got nerfed AGAIN) but your fun comes at the cost of the person who had to go do something boring for you.

No one ever plays to max efficiency 100% of the time, that's just being silly to think people want everyone to be be pulling 110% every moment they move or do anything in game. On the other hand, people absolutely do not want you doing things to make the game harder on them. Breaking all the shovels because DUDE GRAVES LMAO is a stabbing, especially if you've been asked to stop digging graves in the first place. Potato farming? Sure maybe a patch of potatoes won't upset people but multiple patches is both overkill and unnecessary.

The reason people killed over the last sheep is because composting is the lifeblood of the town. You mess up the compost cycle multiple times you are both being inconsiderate to the whole town AND being a selfish asshat who cannot just breed a second replacement sheep. Kill the gravediggers, kill the (prepatch) last sheep shearers, and kill the lazy. Your fun is not more important than the fun of the people in the town.

MultiLife · 2019-03-03 13:24:48

Tarr wrote:

Fetching iron isn't fun. It's one of the most boring jobs early to mid game especially if you don't have a horse or cart to speed up the collection of the stuff in the first place.
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Doing a 2.5 half minute walk to find iron then another 2.5 minute walk home isn't exciting but it's something you have to do.
Combine one of the more boring tasks in the game (collecting iron) with needing a constant stream of shovels throughout your life makes shovel griefing one of the more annoying things on the list of things you can do. So sure you might have fun planting potatoes (after they got nerfed AGAIN) but your fun comes at the cost of the person who had to go do something boring for you.
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On the other hand, people absolutely do not want you doing things to make the game harder on them. Breaking all the shovels because DUDE GRAVES LMAO is a stabbing, especially if you've been asked to stop digging graves in the first place. Potato farming? Sure maybe a patch of potatoes won't upset people but multiple patches is both overkill and unnecessary.
The reason people killed over the last sheep is because composting is the lifeblood of the town. You mess up the compost cycle multiple times you are both being inconsiderate to the whole town AND being a selfish asshat who cannot just breed a second replacement sheep. Kill the gravediggers, kill the (prepatch) last sheep shearers, and kill the lazy. Your fun is not more important than the fun of the people in the town.

I want to second this.
Not being efficient all the time is another thing than having fun at the expense of others. If one gets iron and crafts themselves a shovel, they can do whatever they want with it in my books - the item exists because of their work. However, if a villager just takes a random shovel and starts using it, they basically just profited from someone else's work of hauling it in the first place (and processing the ore, smithing, getting the handle...). If people keep taking and not providing, the balance will tip and the town suffers. You gotta get things, not just use them. If you use things, get things for the town as a payment for it. Made a graveyard with rose bushes? Maybe do an iron run or get some tool handles as thanks. Someone else will have to do it anyways, so you could, as someone else had done for you before.

Regarding the title of this topic; if you have a weapon, you can kill. You can kill as a tryhard, or you can kill a tryhard. Getting killed over things is not fun, but it's simply a fact that it happens and will keep happening: no matter how we tell people to chill, there will be a moment when someone ends up killing in frustration.

Maybe we should start making more pads and needles with thread to deflect some of the stabbings.

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