Why donkey Town is a Soft Ban and should be Removed!

arkajalka · 2018-09-15 19:23:21

Adveloq wrote:

arkajalka wrote:
Is there something negative about the donkey town besides the town people?
There is no town. Imagine playing this game but there are no people. You get a single child sometimes. Most of the time you are a solo Eve from start til finish.

Ye theres no town cause the instant you progress to knife level everybody in the town is dead.

boggers · 2018-09-15 19:36:20

Adveloq wrote:

There is no town. Imagine playing this game but there are no people. You get a single child sometimes. Most of the time you are a solo Eve from start til finish.

I did this for a while on one of the empty servers, just to see how many lives I could chain in one place by dying of old age as Eve. Twice in a row I forgot to eat at age 59 in gen 3.

It's not a bad game in single player. It's actually a lot easier without kids slowing you down and eating everything, you barely need to farm at all, all you need is one small well, a few berries, a cart... it's slower to tech up since you have to do it all yourself, and stepping on a snake means you lose everything.

Sharlank · 2018-09-15 20:33:32

I'm so glad to see how salty you are, hopefully a ban in forums will come soon as well then you'll have the Holy Trinity of bans: in-game, on discord and in forums

Redram · 2018-09-15 20:41:04

Adveloq wrote:

Id still like to know how long it's going to take to get out of donkey town. 3+ hours in-game and still black.

Depends how many curse points you have. And also whether Jason implemented the permanent curse score. See here: https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewt … 616#p30616.
Especially note the formula: 1 + ( totalCurseScore / 20 )^2. If your total curse score is 20, you will decrement your current curse score at 1 per 2 hours. If your total is 40, 1 per 5 hours. If you're the guy with like, over 100 total curse points that Jason mentioned, then you're looking at decrementing at the rate of 1 curse point per 26 hours.

West · 2018-09-15 20:48:13

Redram wrote:

Adveloq wrote:
Id still like to know how long it's going to take to get out of donkey town. 3+ hours in-game and still black.
Depends how many curse points you have. And also whether Jason implemented the permanent curse score. See here: https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewt … 616#p30616.
Especially note the formula: 1 + ( totalCurseScore / 20 )^2. If your total curse score is 20, you will decrement your current curse score at 1 per 2 hours. If your total is 40, 1 per 5 hours. If you're the guy with like, over 100 total curse points that Jason mentioned, then you're looking at decrementing at the rate of 1 curse point per 26 hours.

Wait what?! That sounds way too long.

I have never been cursed so much that I got black text, but I bet I have a lot of totaltokens from playing that much.
That formula should not be implemented imo. One hour per token is long enough in my eyes. I know this aims to punish the hardcore griefers, but it also hits players with lots of playtime...

GreatShawn · 2018-09-15 20:50:53

Superfun2 wrote:

The thing is i got to Donkey Town because someone made a curse note of me when i spawned as Eve in a town and named my self Amyx also like 4 people cursed me when i did that

Why would someone make a cursed note of you if you are innocent? Likewise, only if you did something they would make a cursed note of you. If a greiver made that note, than why would he choose you instead of other people?

boggers · 2018-09-15 21:29:01

West wrote:

Wait what?! That sounds way too long.
I have never been cursed so much that I got black text, but I bet I have a lot of totaltokens from playing that much.
That formula should not be implemented imo. One hour per token is long enough in my eyes. I know this aims to punish the hardcore griefers, but it also hits players with lots of playtime...

He's come up with that based on what everyone's total curse scores look like at the moment.

If and when it becomes unbalanced due to very long play times naturally accruing more curse points, it would be easy to insert / totalHoursPlayed somewhere in there to rebalance it. For the current stats though, it seems about right to me.

How many played hours you have since curses were in anyway? As far as I know, I've had my name cursed 2 times in 150 hrs.

West · 2018-09-15 22:16:04

I honestly dont know how many hours I played since curses are active.

Lily · 2018-09-15 23:43:31

Honestly, this seems like a big improvement over being born cursed and getting killed/starved over and over. If I was to choose between being starved a ton of times in a row and just living a relaxing life out in the woods alone, I would take the woods every time.

Turnipseed · 2018-09-15 23:53:28

Redram wrote:

Adveloq wrote:
Id still like to know how long it's going to take to get out of donkey town. 3+ hours in-game and still black.
Depends how many curse points you have. And also whether Jason implemented the permanent curse score. See here: https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewt … 616#p30616.
Especially note the formula: 1 + ( totalCurseScore / 20 )^2. If your total curse score is 20, you will decrement your current curse score at 1 per 2 hours. If your total is 40, 1 per 5 hours. If you're the guy with like, over 100 total curse points that Jason mentioned, then you're looking at decrementing at the rate of 1 curse point per 26 hours.

Lol superfuns auto clicker will have to run for a month to get him outta donkey town by next week

Redram · 2018-09-16 00:30:20

Turnipseed wrote:

Lol superfuns auto clicker will have to run for a month to get him outta donkey town by next week

Yeah, at some point the amount of electricity one is using running their auto clicker may be more than just buying a new account. Of course if one lives with one's parents then you're not worried about the utility bill.

I do think punishment based on a permanent curse score is not going to work out very well though in the long run. It creates really bad incentives

Superfun2 · 2018-09-16 00:35:41

hey bitches IM BACK

UnnoticedShadow · 2018-09-16 00:56:11

Probably not for long, as a ban from the forums is not out of your reach, and Jason is sure to start a basic auto-clicker eventually, which will render you're account useless if you don't shape up.

Trick · 2018-09-16 01:06:06

GreatShawn wrote:

Superfun2 wrote:
The thing is i got to Donkey Town because someone made a curse note of me when i spawned as Eve in a town and named my self Amyx also like 4 people cursed me when i did that
Why would someone make a cursed note of you if you are innocent? Likewise, only if you did something they would make a cursed note of you. If a greiver made that note, than why would he choose you instead of other people?

It happened to me. Guy came up and cursed me out of nowhere. I was literally just watering/tending the berries, and he came up and dropped a curse note with my name on it. I tried to hide it behind a tree, but I accrued a number of curses because of it (not enough to actually get cursed, though).

It's just another way of griefing.

Turnipseed · 2018-09-16 01:07:24

UnnoticedShadow wrote:

Probably not for long, as a ban from the forums is not out of your reach, and Jason is sure to start a basic auto-clicker eventually, which will render you're account useless if you don't shape up.

Or just quit... go play gta... or worse ark

UnnoticedShadow · 2018-09-16 01:45:32

All it takes is one or two miscommunications, and all of the curses you have ever gotten will come back at you. If you are like me, who used to kill, but does not anymore if even ONE miscommunication happens I will be stuck in donkeytown for a good amount of time.

You're "permanent" curse score should not go back more than a month in time, or perhaps it should take the average score of players per month and subtract it from your score every month.

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Superfun2 · 2018-09-16 04:33:18

True

Turnipseed · 2018-09-16 05:38:11

UnnoticedShadow wrote:

All it takes is one or two miscommunications, and all of the curses you have ever gotten will come back at you. If you are like me, who used to kill, but does not anymore if even ONE miscommunication happens I will be stuck in donkeytown for a good amount of time.

You're "permanent" curse score should not go back more than a month in time, or perhaps it should take the average score of players per month and subtract it from your score every month.

Very true. I got cursed twice today for silly reasons. Once someone thought i was stealing babys... (they were my kids i was showing them where water was)
Other time i starved a kid for spelling out fuck you when in named them billy.

Ive never gotten the black text, but ive prolly gotten 10~ curses since the curse update if one day in a few months i get unlucky in a big town i dont wanna spend 3 hours in donkey town...

Redram · 2018-09-16 16:05:28

The problem is permanent curse tracking fundamentally changes the nature of cursing. Previously it had no consequence in and of itself - just an indicator, and even when that threshhold was reached, it was brief, so people (theoretically) only cursed in situations where they thought the person had pissed off enough people to possibly reach the 10 curse threshhold. It was better to keep your curse point 'fresh' for someone that really really deserved it, rather than use it in a petty fashion and not have it when you need it. Because if you used it on someone unlikely to get 10 curses, you well and truly wasted your point.

With permanent curse tracking, now every single curse point you get is a liability due to increasing banishment time. So now cursing is a punishment in an of itself, rather than just an indicator. So now you're at the end of a life, haven't used your curse point, you know half the griefers are in donkey town anyway, and you're not likely to need it. But there was that player that wouldn't give you their backpack when they were old. Or ate that potato, depriving you of your best yum chain ever. Or that one that just rp'ed most of the time. Ya, might as well drop a curse point on them - it's not wasted, because it's on their permanent record. In fact NOT using it is wasting it, really. This is a bad incentive. It will incentivize petty behavior. It's bad for the social game. Moreover, it's going to throw a wet blanket on all activity. Now more, if not most, people will tipetoe around not wanting to attract a petty curse point. Better to keep your head down and work, never cause a ruckus, never do anything controversial. Basically the opposite of interesting.

One can debate all they want on exactly what 'Jason solving it' means, but it's undeniable that permanent curse tracking fundamentally alters the very nature of cursing itself. It makes it no longer an indicator that players can use as they see fit, and turns it into a punishment in and of itself. Curse tokens to give are free for everyone, don't require any work, and so contributes nothing to the game economy. A knife at least requires use of in-game resources.

Turnipseed · 2018-09-16 16:38:58

I think there is a semi permanent solution loosing x curse points a month from the perminant score. But only if you arent currently in donkey town

boggers · 2018-09-16 16:49:54

Redram wrote:

a really good point

That makes a lot of sense.. my earlier suggestion of factoring totalCursePoints / totalHoursPlayed into the equation doesn't fix that.

If the record is permanent, it should probably go both ways... Track both curses received and curses given, and modify the weight of a given curse by totalHoursPlayed / totalCursesGiven

An alternate, non permanent method: Everyone has a finite number of curses, say 10 in a queue: first in - first out, so when you curse an 11th person, your first curse expires. This way, everyone's curses have the same weight, but if you curse often the effect of your curses is short lived.

Superfun2 · 2018-09-16 19:03:13

^^^^^1+

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