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#1 2020-01-23 20:18:03

Punkypal
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*Suggestion* Cherry Trees

Problem: No player made auto-renewable food source

Jason: This isn't really a big problem, but there are some times where it would be very useful if players had a way to make basically something like the wild gooseberry bush, or desert cactus that regrows food automatically.

I suggest the Cherry Tree. It would take extra effort to plant and grow like all trees do, but when grown would start to make cherries without any further watering. Of course some factor would have to be implemented to keep it from being the main food crop. I suggest that regrowth be very slow, maybe half the speed of a wild berry bush or more and wouldn't provide much food, maybe only 1 or 2 pips. The point is it wouldn't be ideal food to eat, just something to keep you from starving as a last resort.

The reason I suggest this is I build roads, and sometimes there is nothing you can do really to have any food along the route for a long distance. I really wish I could plant something that would feed the traveler but wouldn't die out because out there, regular maintenance isn't feasible. Also, in a town a nursery could be surrounded with some trees to help stop babies from stripping gooseberry fields bare so quickly.

Lastly cherry trees are so so pretty when they bloom. The would be nice to add just to pretty a place up. Thank you.


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#2 2020-01-23 20:51:18

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

Mango trees originally took no upkeep and basically broke the game due to people like myself just mass planting them. Basically I Johnny Mangotree planted 32 my first life in Casino town (named Mango town at the time due to the trees.) and was producing a free 4608 pips at maximum output if people would pick all of them per hour.

Fruit trees either need to be balanced around having high pips and being slow to regenerate (current mangoes are super unviable due to racial restrictions plus the amount of time to tend an orchard)

Or, fruit trees should be the de facto firewood tree of choice that just happens to give some goodies along the way.


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#3 2020-01-23 20:53:48

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

In the meantime, one option for "road food" would be to spend one life making a bunch of raw stew, then distribute the crocks along the dead zones for travelers.   The downside being you would also need to supply bowls and occassionally refill the crocks.

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#4 2020-01-24 01:44:55

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

I have considered locked boxes with Gooseberry seeds / Bucket of water / 2 Baskets soil - Then occasionally I could come along with a hoe, bowl, & flint chip and just replant any berry bushes that got overpicked and died or freshen up ones that are semi picked.

I'm pretty sure the first guy to walk by each one would just strip it and they wouldn't last long.

I don't want a return to the mango. If cherries were both slow and low food value I don't see much risk of the being abused. How many players are going to run down a row picking 8 cherries to get 8 food when they can just eat one pie or two berries. The time involved should make most not want to bother unless they literally only need 1 pip.


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#5 2020-01-24 02:02:17

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

A single berry bush only provides 35 pips.   You might as well just leave baskets of pies along the road.   It would give significantly more food and would require less effort to replenish when empty.   

If you want to create dedicated food stations, you could even do a table, since they are relatively cheap to produce and stationary.   Put bowls of wild harvested berries and mutton pies for weary travelers to snack on.

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#6 2020-01-24 07:29:38

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

Still sounds like something someone would pillage and make off with.

Now, I could live with a food trough that I could make that would be hard to remove. A cistern of berries if you will.


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#7 2020-01-24 08:03:06

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

I can't imagine that many people would steal a bowl of berries, unless they actually needed the food.    If the goal is to feed people, you want the food station to be filled with cheap and easy foods.   

You could easily setup food stations within walking distance of wild gooseberries that are far enough off the road to be missed by non-zoomed travellers.    All you need to set it up would be a stack of bowls and some time.    Making tables would require a few extra tools and a cart to carry supplies, but I think it would make it easier to spot the free food and encourage other people to help restock the road with food, once they understand the purpose of the food tables.

Baskets of pies would be extra nice, but more labor intensive to produce and more likely to be grabbed by non-starving people.   Still, pies are the very best travel food.

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#8 2020-01-24 12:22:23

Whatever
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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

I like this idea of cherry trees that regrow food very slowly for roads. (maybe 5 times slower than wild berry bush)

Another idea:
If you plant a berry bush in the green biome and there are no other berry bushes in a range of 12x12 tiles it becomes a wild berry bush.

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#9 2020-01-24 13:59:28

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

Whatever wrote:

I like this idea of cherry trees that regrow food very slowly for roads. (maybe 5 times slower than wild berry bush

+1. Also cherry pie would be nice. And you could make the trees have a cherry blossom phase before they grew cherries so once in a while you could stand under the blossoms.


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#10 2020-01-24 15:58:49

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

In real life gooseberries take 4 years to grow productive while cherries take 10, so to balance things out cherries would need to grow about 3* slower (every phase time 3*)


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#11 2020-01-24 18:51:11

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

Whatever wrote:

If you plant a berry bush in the green biome and there are no other berry bushes in a range of 12x12 tiles it becomes a wild berry bush.

The problem is it's the badlands areas that usually are where road travelers are bound to starve. Due to chance, sometimes it can go on quite a ways before getting back to greenlands.


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#12 2020-01-24 19:27:54

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

Punkypal, please build the road, and I will try to make food stations along it.

(Today I found fresh ginger camp west from north's Boots town.)

Sorry for mistakes I'm not native English speaker.

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#13 2020-01-24 20:16:57

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

fug wrote:

Mango trees originally took no upkeep and basically broke the game due to people like myself just mass planting them. Basically I Johnny Mangotree planted 32 my first life in Casino town (named Mango town at the time due to the trees.) and was producing a free 4608 pips at maximum output if people would pick all of them per hour.

Fruit trees either need to be balanced around having high pips and being slow to regenerate (current mangoes are super unviable due to racial restrictions plus the amount of time to tend an orchard)

Or, fruit trees should be the de facto firewood tree of choice that just happens to give some goodies along the way.

Perhaps this new tree would be limited, maybe thematically they have a deep root structure and each spring site can only support 1. So that they must be planted within X tiles of a spring (wet or dry) AND there can only be 1 near each spring.

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#14 2020-01-25 21:04:49

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

And I'm just sitting here and wondering why a cherry tree is suggested instead of an apple tree. Sure you could also do marmelade with cherries which is kinda nice, but isn't the apple tree a bit more common in general and also think about the apple pies! mmmhh...

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#15 2020-01-25 21:52:37

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

Flachzang wrote:

And I'm just sitting here and wondering why a cherry tree is suggested instead of an apple tree. Sure you could also do marmelade with cherries which is kinda nice, but isn't the apple tree a bit more common in general and also think about the apple pies! mmmhh...

We need low pip (1 or 2)  auto-renewable food source.
It would be ridicules if berry had more  pips than apple.

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#16 2020-01-26 03:23:07

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

Rose wrote:
Flachzang wrote:

And I'm just sitting here and wondering why a cherry tree is suggested instead of an apple tree. Sure you could also do marmelade with cherries which is kinda nice, but isn't the apple tree a bit more common in general and also think about the apple pies! mmmhh...

We need low pip (1 or 2)  auto-renewable food source.
It would be ridicules if berry had more  pips than apple.

Rose nailed it. At first I thought apple too, but realized it didn't make sense if it was low food value, so then I thought, "What kind a tree has small fruit that wouldn't feed you much?" and I realized cherry was it. Then when I remembered that cherry trees are also very pretty trees I was sold.

Also to anyone who might say, "but cherry trees produce a LOT of fruit" I say, If you've ever owned a cherry tree you will know that every bird for 20 miles around will come and eat every cherry long before its ripe!" The only way to get more than a handful of cherries off a tree is you need more trees that there are birds around. A few trees alone along a road would only have a little fruit because I'll just assume whatever shy wildlife we don't actually see are eating all the cherries. Maybe it's the geese.


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#17 2020-01-26 03:27:38

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

AmberA wrote:

Perhaps this new tree would be limited, maybe thematically they have a deep root structure and each spring site can only support 1. So that they must be planted within X tiles of a spring (wet or dry) AND there can only be 1 near each spring.

For what I'd wish to utilize it for, this would be perfect. Someone could try to plant more near a spring, but they would just wither, or never would produce fruit. Even if the road isn't running right along a faultline, at least a short side path could be made and a waystone dropped that says "Fruit tree this way!"

I very much like this idea, but if Jason where to go this route, I'd suggest he invent some kind of fictional OHOL tree. Like the heart trees from Game of Thrones. Call it a Lifewood tree, or Rareberry tree, or whatever! It could look like anything he wanted it to look like. Maybe they even take like 10 hours from planting before mature (but hopefully fruit would come faster than that after mature, or it wouldn't be helpful really). With a made up tree unique to OHOL that kinda could be something original and iconic about the game, and then nobody can complain about whatever rules it has because it's whatever Jason says it is.

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#18 2020-01-26 04:32:08

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

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#19 2020-01-26 06:10:01

Punkypal
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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

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#20 2020-01-27 10:04:16

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

Flachzang wrote:

And I'm just sitting here and wondering why a cherry tree is suggested instead of an apple tree. Sure you could also do marmelade with cherries which is kinda nice, but isn't the apple tree a bit more common in general and also think about the apple pies! mmmhh...

If you haven't noticed, Jason likes to add very specific objects to the game, which is why he went for "gooseberries" in the first place rather than "apples", which are really just a placeholder for "fruit" in games most of the time. He wants to make everything seem original.


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#21 2020-01-27 15:34:49

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Re: *Suggestion* Cherry Trees

I love this idea! I would be super keen for some beautiful cherry trees in the game. If Jason wanted a more uncommon berry tree there’s still: Huckleberry, Choke Cherries, Açai, Mulberry, Elderberry.
There’s also soapberry trees! I don’t think people eat them but they were used as soap by some people and could be useful somehow... if we want to do dishes haha on second thought maybe not soapberries! ?


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