Your Lineages Are Doomed To Die

Spoonwood · 2020-01-13 18:09:28

There's been a code change note posted on the discord:

"No longer playing eating animation when sticking food in clothing container." : https://discordapp.com/channels/3282153 … 2783836161

That lineages can't survive updates has gotten rejected as a problem here: https://github.com/jasonrohrer/OneLife/issues/492

and here: https://github.com/jasonrohrer/OneLifeData7/issues/562

Some doomed lineages:

The Neptunes: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5793848

The Fires: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5793843

The Candys: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5793830

The Wonders: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5793209 which I believe is still alive, because of this: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5793847

It's only Monday. How many more lineages will tommorow get doomed to death?

What sense of enduring meaning could exist for families when they have gotten doomed to die by the system?

How can there be deep stories of a family trying to survive and succeeding when it's already decided that they are done in?

One might think that a game can get mastered. That it's objectives could get achieved. That there exists some way to conquer it.

But what about when things are rigged against people from the very start? Should we still call it a game? Should we still deem it worth our time to play or even think about?

How can we have a multiplayer survival family game when there is only time ticking done and making things impossible for any family to survive?

Another doomed family, which I'm less sure about being on bs2 is the Potter's: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5793873

Spoonwood · 2020-01-13 18:12:42

It's early Monday afternoon. So isn't it like something around 50% of the time of this week that all lineages will be doomed to die?

Dodge · 2020-01-13 18:19:39

Maybe he is going to change his mind about the issue at some point, or maybe not.

In the meantime lineages can survive at most 7 days and it's already pretty good.

Dont think most lineages survive more than 2-3 days currently anyway...

DestinyCall · 2020-01-13 18:51:21

More like one day, tops.

Spoonwood · 2020-01-13 19:23:46

The Whislers are doomed: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5794119

The Eggs are doomed: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5794115

A nameless Eve has a doomed lineage: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5794124 ... could be low pop for all I know.

Spoonwood · 2020-01-13 19:25:57

DestinyCall wrote:

More like one day, tops.

So Jason has made a content change and is not planning to do an update at this point in time or he's going to try to make it so that lineages can survive updates?

Wuatduhf · 2020-01-13 19:33:22

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Your data is 100% irrelevant to your complaint.

You are presenting an argument that Jason is preventing lineages from lasting longer than 7 days straight and that Wed/Thurs/Fri is the cut-off point. That's how it's been for well over a year now and he even said that the only way around it would be convoluted. You then give data on lineages that died TODAY. Without ANY server reset occurring. It does nothing to your argument but you claim it does, and that the lineages were victims of a server reset.

1) You're straight up lying
2) You're fear-mongering

Using those as tactics to get people to agree with you is actually silly. Stop it. Having to sort between your necro's and your complaint threads makes it difficult to find good posts.

Spoonwood · 2020-01-13 20:20:56

Wuatduhf wrote:

You are presenting an argument that Jason is preventing lineages from lasting longer than 7 days straight and that Wed/Thurs/Fri is the cut-off point.

He did an update last Monday https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=8863. I recall seeing an early week update a few months also.

Wuatduhf wrote:

That's how it's been for well over a year now and he even said that the only way around it would be convoluted.

Perhaps that's because he's only thought about freezing all of the characters instead of allowing Eves to have the possibility of having ancestors? Or because he doesn't seek out alternative solutions to problems? Or because he insists on certain assumptions that suggest convoluted solutions? Because he doesn't work with anyone and thus can't see any way to overcome obstacles that he's not good at solving?

Wuatduhf wrote:

You then give data on lineages that died TODAY. Without ANY server reset occurring. It does nothing to your argument but you claim it does, and that the lineages were victims of a server reset.

I said that they are doomed. That means that they are condemned to die by the system as it stands. Do you really think that Jason is making code changes without planning to do an update?

We shall see whether these lineages die off or not.

Also, fear-mongering has to be based on something not likely to happen, as I understand it. Do you think it more likely than not that these lineages survive for a long time?

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Spoonwood · 2020-01-13 20:34:28

The Lees are another doomed lineage: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5794473

fug · 2020-01-13 21:17:38

How many garbage threads do you need active at a time?

Spoonwood · 2020-01-13 22:23:45

The simplest and clearest of problems preventing long lineage survival is that they cannot survive updates. Why is fug so quick to dismiss this as a non-problem? That lineages don't survive updates has existed for so long. Does it make any sense to look away from what is so clear and has been there all along? Have we lost the courage to stare reality in the face to see what's going on?

How can there exist hope for long lineage survival when the system dooms lineages to short lengths from the very start?

This is a game about the collective future of humanity trying to survive. But collectively, they are not able to do so by design. No lineage can last long. If eternity were a day, all lineages would exist a mere few seconds, and oftentimes less than a second. Where can hope for the future of humanity exist in all of this?

fug · 2020-01-13 22:29:34

That's not what I asked. How many garbage threads do you need active at one time?

Spoonwood · 2020-01-13 22:30:53

The Makings are another family who has no hope of longevity. They will die out soon or when the next update comes. http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5794908

I count 8 lineages so far. That doesn't include any low pop lineages so far as I can tell, and I suspect this consists of a low pop lineage: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5794124. There will likely be more lineages that die out before the next update comes.

fug · 2020-01-13 22:31:49

How many garbage threads do you need?

Spoonwood · 2020-01-13 23:11:49

How many doomed lineages will there be this week? How many were there last week? How many were there last month? How many times have players simply not had suitable tools to enable long lived lineage survival? How many times have lineages been planned to get killed off with an update anticipated later in the week? How many times has the system ensured that they couldn't survive?

Where is hope in all of this?

fug · 2020-01-13 23:33:51

Another spam comment. Noice.

Spoonwood · 2020-01-13 23:46:08

I'm pretty sure that short lived phrases without a hint of thought in them qualify as the mark of spam.

I certainly don't remember asking questions and providing information as a mark of spam.

Spoonwood · 2020-01-13 23:59:14

The Dobbies are another lineage: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5795292

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fug · 2020-01-14 00:19:54

Glad to see you didn't start another thread for that garbage comment.

More trash for the trash pile.

Spoonwood · 2020-01-14 01:02:49

The Stays are another lineage without any longevity: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5795555

We're up to 10 lineages who don't have an opportunity. They haven't got a chance to survive, not for very long.

Also, for as much as fug talks, where is his shovel?

Spoonwood · 2020-01-14 01:14:43

I also saw that there was a Testo family: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5795346 Yes, they probably weren't going to make it to the period in which an update was actually in process. But, one never knows. The Boots group did happen on server7 from what I've read, and some low pop players have had an interest in generation length also.

Spoonwood · 2020-01-14 02:51:00

The Heather family: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5796061 We'll say it's 12, or it's 11 if you want to exclude the Testo's.

Spoonwood · 2020-01-14 03:05:29

The Beacons: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5796097, so 13.

Note: When I wrote this, there's an Eve and only two children who died of sudden infant death.

There's still descent in a line from a common progenitor, which fits Wikipedia's definition of a lineage: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lineage

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JasonY · 2020-01-14 05:09:38

Spoonwood wrote:

The Beacons: http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=5796097, so 13.
Note: I wrote this and died of sudden infant death.
which fits Wikipedia's definition

JasonY · 2020-01-14 05:17:29

Spoonwood wrote:

The simplest and clearest of problems preventing survival is that they cannot survive. this non-problem has existed for so long. Does it make any sense to look away from what is so clear and has been there all along? Have we lost the courage to stare reality in the face to see what's going on?
How can there exist short lengths from the very start?
This is a game about the collective future of humanity trying to survive. But collectively, they are not able to do so. No lineage can last long. If eternity were a day, all lineages would exist a mere few seconds, and oftentimes less than a second. Where can hope for the future of humanity exist in all of this?

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