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#1 Re: Main Forum » What gets you banned in discord? Is "Telling to kill yourself" enough? » 2018-04-30 13:07:56
Not sure what you mean when you say "quote". That there is an all original Uncle Gus statement. If you're talking about the italics, I added that for emphasis. If I was going to quote someone, I would use a quote block, like what you have at the start of your post there, where you quoted me. As far as people going off topic, two things:
1) Mods have lives, so we don't sit and watch the chat ready to pounce on people causing problems. That's why things need to be reportd to us if they are a problem.
2) I said, and I quoteUncle Gus wrote:repeatedly going off topic to the detriment of the running conversation
(italics added for emphasis)
We're not going to pull people up for talking about non-OHOL related stuff if there's no problem with it. Pretty much the only time we'll tell people to go to off-topic is if there are competing conversations going on, or if a conversation is getting heated and generally making the channel unpleasant to read, or if someone is trying to plug something unrelated to OHOL.
I am glad you do not even deny explicitly making that statement and I quote "constantly arguing with mods and throwing massive public tantrums about their decision" towards me - that is trying to enforce a restriction of freedom of speech on my part, after all I do is provide evidence - which you saw as Tantrum. You can can argue however you want, but that is exactly what you did.
I understand you guys have a life. You do this out of good-will, a.k.a. you do not even need to lift a finger if you do not want to, and I admit in my posts that it was my mistake that mods would go deeper into a case, after Alleria said everything was settled.
I fully agree with Baker's post above - mods have too limited power, either that or...:
1. Saying to kill yourself is not a big deal to some (mods). You guys Agreed that it is bad after I reported it, but Joriom was there, he did nothing, even laughed at griefing situation in general, thus mods do not do anything till someone complains, even though they are AWARE of the situation. Cannot stress enough we had private conversation with him, thus I feel bad even mentioning him here, to prove a point that mods do not do much even if they are seeing the situation unfolding life.
2. It is acceptable to talk about nazi war crimes and suggesting new possible victims in a general chat of OHOL - to be honest none of the mods found this disturbing, but maybe I am sensitive to war crimes and genocides in other parts of the world, because it has directly affected my parents - but well I guess it is acceptable to say.
3. It is acceptable to talk about studies, IQs, genocides etc. in general and it is pleasant to read. I am glad that mods find, for instance, how mentally ill people should be killed, pleasant or neutral to read in General chat (I am not putting any names here of mods who should be aware of this discussion going on, but if you say "no time to check that", it is not true). I could find other examples, but this perfectly makes my point - in no way possible is this topic can not fall under and I quote "conversation is getting heated and generally making the channel unpleasant to read" in general chat. To be honest, if it was me, I would like to not read what people study and if they like cats in general chat, given off-topic exists, but that is my position (blocking them would only make the situation worse, as they provide some game related information into general chat), and you already said it is fine.
4. Now this is what I find personally extremely unpleasant in the Discord chat is that all new players are called "Plebs", "infestation", etc. and used it in extremely despising way. This is arguable if it is not unpleasant to read, especially for new players. I tried defending new players in discord, but let's just say you are unpopular for doing it. I knew griefing will make those "burzua" unpleasant, so I did - it does not change the fact I am a griefer. A MUST READ FOR A NEW PLAYER a topic about how discord see you, which should get more attention, I can personally confirm nothing has changed since the post (https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1277 ).
Now so why I am still posting this - firstly I only reply to mods and Alleria after I said to Joriom that I close the case. But the reason is to get attention to the topic that discord chat is not controlled, also although I am repeating myself too much, I did not expect your statement at all, which really got me grumbling inside. Thus I point out that OHOL general topics include: Genocides, calling new players "infestations", suggesting to suicide your self in real life, studies, food, etc., while Off-topic is empty. And due to the fact that most active players are on discord, no one would ever dare to talk about this issue, as the active players will make sure you are insulted for doing it similar to the post https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1277 .
Also I wanted to clarify what i meant with "pushing some buttons really made everything clear to me.". What I mean was that the game is an experiment, not only in it is idea, but also the scale (copies sold) and that only one person is working on it (and has stated to keep it that way). Your statement and I quote "constantly arguing with mods and throwing massive public tantrums about their decision", after I post evidence to other mod that his assumptions are wrong ("no time" I understand), made it clear that you (thus I assume more mods) do not want the issues to be publicly discussed. Therefore, what is clear to me: without a dedicated (paid) team there is not gonna be any drastic changes to the behavior of the of the community on a social platform. Yes, mods might have too little power, but I was hopping that is the only reason, but UncleGus you proved me wrong. Because we are in the age of "free-speach" I do demise your statement a lot. I was simply expecting a lot of negative posts, but this got me to a point, where the mods suggesting such restriction is not something I can accept and thus decided to leave the game.
For the less relevant point about "Quote". Well then it is quotable, and was not said before (Italics confused me whether I missed this rule somewhere) - which I asked. I used "Quote" with the apostrophe because I was still writing in same post. Could have called it statement, for sure, it would make less confusion about this part, my stylistic mistake.
Would like to note: I said almost everything I wanted and this is the last forum post that will ever be done by me on OHOL for the foreseeable future. Note to server 1- now you can start building the private castles I am out.
#2 Re: Main Forum » What gets you banned in discord? Is "Telling to kill yourself" enough? » 2018-04-30 00:06:48
Getting banned isn't so much brought on by doing something bad - we all make mistakes, that's why we give warnings and such - it's more brought on by repeat offences. Repeated spam messages, constantly provoking arguments, repeatedly going off topic to the detriment of the running conversation etc.
Another thing that might get someone in trouble is constantly arguing with mods and throwing massive public tantrums about their decision.
Thank you for the answer. Not sure where that quote came from, or you now mean that is quotable. Given that explicitly I can understand providing defense with evidence to jord1990 reply is a tantrum, I feel like it is more of Status quo way of keeping things and not allowing to express everything publicly, a.k.a. freedom of speech.
Once again, thank you for the answer - pushing some buttons really made everything clear to me. I never saw getting off-topic every twenty min in general chat being even controlled, thus the first statement is something also I do not see happening.
Overall, this your reply will make a game a better place - one griefer gone, cannot accept the second "quote" you provided in any way comprehensible. I guess griefing was already sign of boredom, now this. Thus thank you for the fun in the game everyone, and good luck in the future.
#3 Re: Main Forum » What gets you banned in discord? Is "Telling to kill yourself" enough? » 2018-04-29 14:37:04
Vaidisss, you've been trying to grief me and the people in the Discord for over 48 hours now. Also, you've taken a lot of things out of context to make me look worse in your edits. You've made it so criticisms of you look like they're criticisms of me - now that just shows ill intent. You took a quote of me saying something about "wiping out" 3 villages. If you looked at it in context, those villages were having a famine, and I took a basket of carrots, and ironically said I was a griefer (it was all the rage at the time). Nobody honestly thinks I grief people. There is a lot more to this story than anyone is willing to trawl through, but if anyone cares to read 4+ hours of messages between us, it shows you're of low moral character - hence my comments.
The "gas" comment was meant somewhat ironically, especially when linked to me calling you a degenerate - it had a little nuance (that I doubt many will get). Also, the comment when read in context about "killing yourself" is literally about you leaving the community and taking your toxicity with you (both IRL and IG - behaviours in games often are expressed IRL). If you take everything out of context, it makes it look a lot worse.
Also, my comment was made in reply to you out of nowhere disparaging me and calling me liar. Do you expect someone to play nice when you do that? Really... stop trolling. From my perspective it looks like you just want attention, or else you would have resolved this privately with moderators.
Everyone is egocentric and wants attention, I guess so do I, got me there - I am simple average person.
Now the toxicity was too much in your discord chat, thus it is not only attention.
Also maybe finally someone will look into discord more carefully.
Did I get offended by you - yes. Publicity is the best way of providing point of view, even if you get negative reviews, I will live by that thought (so did you in the forums before me).
#4 Re: Main Forum » What gets you banned in discord? Is "Telling to kill yourself" enough? » 2018-04-29 14:08:05
Now after my long reply above, I understand that this will lead to nowhere, and the question I was asking:
What gets you banned in discord? Is "Telling to kill yourself" enough?
Thus if Telling to kill yourself and mentioning nazi war crimes and even suggesting you would be one of the victims, is not enough, then what is the most egregious cases? Did egregious became synonym with overflowing spam, rather than something "Shocking"? That is what I am asking from the beginning (clearly 10 lines of game related content and 100 non is acceptable currently in general chat, with any substantial game related help coming from other channels).
I think most will have skipped the part in my first post "i realized there is no clear line in discord what is acceptable", because I am a griefer. But that is still what I am asking. Glad to see more people in the post, yea, it is all hate filled towards my griefing and being sissy, but it did bring the discussion what is acceptable on discord.
A big note nowhere did I say ban him, all I said is this enough (except in help-me discord page with being outrageous that no measures were taken at all)?
#5 Re: Main Forum » What gets you banned in discord? Is "Telling to kill yourself" enough? » 2018-04-29 13:50:19
First off all let me say that this escalated way to far.
Like Alleria admitted he went to far in saying what he said and from what I understand he already appologized for it, Jason doesn't believe in heavy moderation and believes that humans are capable of figuring out how to deal with each other on their own. Joriom has quoted this to you before me but I will quote it again.
Directly from the discord rules made by jason.
"And remember, every individual member her has the power to block other members at will.
Most of the time, that power is all that is needed to deal with annoying or disruptive people.
Only the most egregious case transcend to the point where banning should be considered."You were sharing your controversial opinion / Talking about how you destroyed someones hours of work, This as you might expect cause people to share their own opinions on what you have done. I WILL STATE AGAIN: yes Alleria went to far and he admitted it.
However at any point you could've de-escalated the situation by either ignoring Alleria or blocking him. You did not do this and instead kept going egging him on and kept trying to provoke him more and more. After some more provocation you gathered all your screenshots and instead of taking them to a Mod, Jason or the Discord help channel you decide to air the dirty laundry on the forums to escalate the situation even further.
After you made this post you do go into the discord help channel and get help from 2 mods, UncleGus and Joriom. Both of them talked to Alleria and got the same appology from Alleria saying he went to far. At this point Joriom quotes the rules and asks you guys to either shake hands and make up or to just block each other to avoid this in the future. That is when you decide to insult Joriom by telling him "If it did not come from you personally I would agree".
https://imgur.com/a/rAVkpw2
And ending it by saying "Discord is closed group" Joriom decides not to escalate and tells you that you can always ask one of the other mods, So here I am.Now where does this leave us / TLDR
Alleria was wrong and he admitted , You were wrong for further provoking the situation and escalating it even further.
End result everyone is still alive, breathing and hopefully healthy and jason has an extra Email to read that couldve easily been resolved before this issue ever reached him.
Thank you for your reply, was waiting for another mod. I will try to put the whole story here.
Tried to provoke him more and more on discord? By answering his questions, insults, without no negative words? Where did I lead the conversation? Except maybe "you are mad not because of this"
I did grief, but that kind of responses were not acceptable, as he admitted only AFTER this post and me going to the mods. Now did I start the forum war? Even in the get-help-channel I prove I was not the first... But this was Alleria at 05:55:34 (https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1382 ). A side note: I was stupid and sleepy enough to think that he also started the thread thus then "my proof on the forums" started (therefore you can see me saying everywhere and apologizing to him both forums, and discord that I thought it was him starting the thread). But this is his reply in a thread :
"Hey big-brained, big boi, Vaidisss.
I was the "triggered" individual, and the mods are just as likely to look into you. Please note, I wasn't triggered at what you did, I was triggered that people like you exist. The town is still going, just with a big griefed structure in the middle, ruining a lot of people (nobody who you intendeds) experience.
"You really should see a psychologist if you think it's an achievement to wipe out three towns. You're just a scumbag for doing so.
Also, I believe a random added the locks to the doors because he was upset people kept using the door and letting the sheep out (lol what a shitty sheep pen). A noob added the wells to the walls, as I said, not everyone in the town were "pros". Everyone who had a part in building the city over Discord were done with it when this big-brained manchild came along and griefed it before bragging about it (and his other griefs) on Discord.
This kid's not on some moral crusade, he was just hit with a heavy dose of autism and antisocial personality disorder."
Now the wiping out three cities was his words in the picture of this thread as you can see. Thus he even called me scumbag from something I called him doing. We had no arguments for hour or two on discord till his insults started on forums, so was it me or him escalating it to the forums? Once again, due to my own stupidity, I though he also started that thread, and that extra reply was more provocation to me than needed (to start escalating the escalated forum discussion?).
One hour later I make this post: 07:00:17. You can tell that it should not take more than an hour to collect all the information I did.
That screenshot is taken a bit out of context about Joriom, in the discussion above (actually one line before you cut the picture) I mention that I was checking if Joriom was not the one included in the chat in question, and he was:
https://imgur.com/a/pr8UcKz
That is why I took it as biased. Was it insult, or simply I did not want the judge to be someone related to the crime (and kind of supporting the other side)? Well you say it is insult, very well. I had private chat with Joriom afterwards, thus there is nothing to discuss about it, and he had different intention with that post, but he was still part of it (and found nothing wrong about the comment of Alleria at that point in time), but still do not like the term "insult" you used.
On the same picture you have you see Alleria saying he apologized (in the picture you provide: https://imgur.com/a/rAVkpw2 ), this is how it went (do not mind the time, it is based on computer it is actually 7:xx on forums):
https://imgur.com/a/16QDswB
From I still think you should die and be gassed, to knowing that I really escalated it and mod will look into it, and apologize in 19 min (after I did for another reason). Is this an apology? No it is knowing that someone might care, and then trying to get the easy way out. No one had time to check it, and they believed that it is resolved between us.
Now UncleGus response to close the topic is because he thought that we resolved it ourselves, as let to believe by Alleria (it was not direct statement, cannot blame him for that), also UncleGus was just putting children to sleep, thus I guess it was either late or he had no time to look into it:
https://imgur.com/a/xVc4GqO
Now where I admit I was first to escalate things? Griefing - yes. Leave this only to Joriom streams to make it public? Well I want a piece of that cake. And most importantly, after my power nap I went to get-help-page and they found it is resolved (we apologized, etc., where did I accept the apology, and was it really an apologize?). Now the real inner kid me went out and I said that is nonsense. Due to that state, I did not realize no one was willing to go into details what actually happened and how the apologies were done - my stupidity again.
But you just "dirty laundry" me with that quote that I accept another mod. Although, it seems due to me being griefing, and Alleria being soo nice in the get-help-chat literally minutes after still going with the idea i need to die, the facts got skewed, I do accept it. I even ended it there with Joriom.
#6 Re: Main Forum » One sad sad griefer » 2018-04-29 07:24:54
Alleria wrote:Balzabukas wrote:It was me, it was to target people getting together in discord to build things (with one member getting triggered to be honest, way too much, in my opinion (telling me to kill myself or I would be gassed if it was 1940s - actually when I think about it mods should look at it), after bragging of wiping out three towns to either start this one or spawn here this one).
The building you were talking was still missing "locks" which made me easier to get in. With locks it would have been totally locked out from non discord group (not really, but for average player). I did not grief anything else. If it was not meant to be with locks it would have been built differently. Not the first project i see locked out from everyone.
Also it took one life (the wells were there for some reason already, only the triple walls was me).
Did I insult anyone? Like ever? I said Bye Family, and to kids spawning to me "sorry kids we are locked out"
Hey big-brained, big boi, Vaidisss.
I was the "triggered" individual, and the mods are just as likely to look into you. Please note, I wasn't triggered at what you did, I was triggered that people like you exist. The town is still going, just with a big griefed structure in the middle, ruining a lot of people (nobody who you intendeds) experience.
You really should see a psychologist if you think it's an achievement to wipe out three towns. You're just a scumbag for doing so.
Also, I believe a random added the locks to the doors because he was upset people kept using the door and letting the sheep out (lol what a shitty sheep pen). A noob added the wells to the walls, as I said, not everyone in the town were "pros". Everyone who had a part in building the city over Discord were done with it when this big-brained manchild came along and griefed it before bragging about it (and his other griefs) on Discord.
This kid's not on some moral crusade, he was just hit with a heavy dose of autism and antisocial personality disorder.
You changed the fact about being online, but all is explained in my other post: https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1383
(The changing of fact was my mistake, for which I apologize.)
#7 Re: Main Forum » What gets you banned in discord? Is "Telling to kill yourself" enough? » 2018-04-29 07:19:01
So you grief and even post it on discord, to brag about it and then you get upset when people insult you?
lol, what did you expect will happen?
Another person building was unlucky lucy (I could be mistaken), and that was his only reply.
#8 Re: Main Forum » One sad sad griefer » 2018-04-29 07:03:24
Balzabukas wrote:towelieban2k wrote:It seems the new griefing flavor of the week is building wells and stone wall on entrances to town walls and buildings. My suggestion to all the builders out there is maybe put a filled trash pit or two on the outside of your door/open entrances.
I just wanted to share a story about a griefed town I was in today. It was a pretty good settlement with stone paths, huge berry and compost piles, tons of food, horses, crowns, dyed cloths etc. The town had a huge stone wall with many rooms at its center and someone was griefing it by blocking the entrances with wells and walls. By the time i could pick stuff up it was already mostly blocked with four of the six entrances blocked by 3 lengths of walls or wells. I knew someone was doing it and so did everyone else in town, but no one cared because the town was already expanding outside of this structure. By the time I was an old man the structure was completely blocked all around and a lady was inside of it laughing at the people outside because she had trapped a bunch of crowns and a horse and a lot of other things. She also had a cart of pies inside. Only the town did not give a crap at all. No one responded to her. The farm is outside of the structure and we tamed another horse, and everyone was doing just fine. The lady died inside her big tomb with food still around probably due to boredom and it was so pointless. No one was impressed, no one cared, no one responded to her insults and by the time I died the town still had everything it needed and some. I looked around the structure, this person built at least six wells and a bunch of stone walls to achieve this meaningless feat. It must have taken a very long time and a lot of effort and all I can think is that can't possibly be fun or fulfilling. If your just that bored why not just do something else, griefing this game is so pointless. Everyone knows its easy and nobody is impressed or rage-quiting over it because it takes a few seconds to respawn. She probably also the one who tonged the sheep pen fences and chopped all the maple trees around and again, no one gave a crap, our smart shepard just herded them away from town and continued mutton farming without a pen and I just built a new pen because we have a horse and can go far for straight branches. I guess my point is there are always going to be sad people with nothing better to do so the best thing to do is to try to build a resilient town and just ignore them. I would love to hear more tips from others out there on things you do when griefed like my sheperd just continuing sheep farming without a pen and not missing a beat.
It was me, it was to target people getting together in discord to build things (with one member getting triggered to be honest, way too much, in my opinion (telling me to kill myself or I would be gassed if it was 1940s - actually when I think about it mods should look at it), after bragging of wiping out three towns to either start this one or spawn here this one).
The building you were talking was still missing "locks" which made me easier to get in. With locks it would have been totally locked out from non discord group (not really, but for average player). I did not grief anything else. If it was not meant to be with locks it would have been built differently. Not the first project i see locked out from everyone.
Also it took one life (the wells were there for some reason already, only the triple walls was me).
Did I insult anyone? Like ever? I said Bye Family, and to kids spawning to me "sorry kids we are locked out"
Hey big-brained, big boi, Vaidisss.
I was the "triggered" individual, and the mods are just as likely to look into you. Please note, I wasn't triggered at what you did, I was triggered that people like you exist. The town is still going, just with a big griefed structure in the middle, ruining a lot of people (nobody who you intendeds) experience.
You really should see a psychologist if you think it's an achievement to wipe out three towns. You're just a scumbag for doing so.
Also, I believe a random added the locks to the doors because he was upset people kept using the door and letting the sheep out (lol what a shitty sheep pen). A noob added the wells to the walls, as I said, not everyone in the town were "pros". Everyone who had a part in building the city over Discord were done with it when this big-brained manchild came along and griefed it before bragging about it (and his other griefs) on Discord.
This kid's not on some moral crusade, he was just hit with a heavy dose of autism and antisocial personality disorder.
You changed the fact about being online, but all is explained in my other post: https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1383
#9 Main Forum » What gets you banned in discord? Is "Telling to kill yourself" enough? » 2018-04-29 07:00:17
- Balzabukas
- Replies: 33
One fact is wrong in the post below, posting it without sleep, thus thought Alleria also started the thread in another post (which is not true), for this i appologize.
I realized after replying to another post, which now i realized that it was the same person writing as will be in the chat "Alleria" (THIS IS NOT TRUE), that there is no clear line in discord what is acceptable. I agree that I am a griefer, never denied it, but believe this was reaction was over the top, that is, saying I should kill myself and that I would be gassed in 1940s should be banable (not to mention talking about genocide later, but that you can check yourself on discord).
This chat might not make more sense if not explaining a few things:
1. No "Good players online" (people who built the settlement, including "Alleria", while he states he was online in the forum post - want to make sure you know already that he changes facts at will (THIS IS NOT TRUE, I MADE A MISTAKE, ALSO IN THE PICTURE))
2. Plebs - average players.
3. Genocide - killing "plebs" a.k.a. new players, although later on (me not including, can check the discord) the thematic changed to real genocides and when they are acceptable.
4. When I say "all player building towns are Griefers" is from discussion before (day before) - mostly about doing "genocides"
5. Some Advertisement to the forum post about coordinates:coordinates post. It also shows my point of view of people going back to same towns and building them (I do not grief in random settlements, although I did before, have to confess).
I know it is long conversation, I emitted other people replying (Again it is on discord you can look into if interested, but it does not change much), but the main points are pointed out in red:
https://imgur.com/a/7xYCGQ6
#10 Re: Main Forum » One sad sad griefer » 2018-04-29 05:28:17
It seems the new griefing flavor of the week is building wells and stone wall on entrances to town walls and buildings. My suggestion to all the builders out there is maybe put a filled trash pit or two on the outside of your door/open entrances.
I just wanted to share a story about a griefed town I was in today. It was a pretty good settlement with stone paths, huge berry and compost piles, tons of food, horses, crowns, dyed cloths etc. The town had a huge stone wall with many rooms at its center and someone was griefing it by blocking the entrances with wells and walls. By the time i could pick stuff up it was already mostly blocked with four of the six entrances blocked by 3 lengths of walls or wells. I knew someone was doing it and so did everyone else in town, but no one cared because the town was already expanding outside of this structure. By the time I was an old man the structure was completely blocked all around and a lady was inside of it laughing at the people outside because she had trapped a bunch of crowns and a horse and a lot of other things. She also had a cart of pies inside. Only the town did not give a crap at all. No one responded to her. The farm is outside of the structure and we tamed another horse, and everyone was doing just fine. The lady died inside her big tomb with food still around probably due to boredom and it was so pointless. No one was impressed, no one cared, no one responded to her insults and by the time I died the town still had everything it needed and some. I looked around the structure, this person built at least six wells and a bunch of stone walls to achieve this meaningless feat. It must have taken a very long time and a lot of effort and all I can think is that can't possibly be fun or fulfilling. If your just that bored why not just do something else, griefing this game is so pointless. Everyone knows its easy and nobody is impressed or rage-quiting over it because it takes a few seconds to respawn. She probably also the one who tonged the sheep pen fences and chopped all the maple trees around and again, no one gave a crap, our smart shepard just herded them away from town and continued mutton farming without a pen and I just built a new pen because we have a horse and can go far for straight branches. I guess my point is there are always going to be sad people with nothing better to do so the best thing to do is to try to build a resilient town and just ignore them. I would love to hear more tips from others out there on things you do when griefed like my sheperd just continuing sheep farming without a pen and not missing a beat.
It was me, it was to target people getting together in discord to build things (with one member getting triggered to be honest, way too much, in my opinion (telling me to kill myself or I would be gassed if it was 1940s - actually when I think about it mods should look at it), after bragging of wiping out three towns to either start this one or spawn here this one).
The building you were talking was still missing "locks" which made me easier to get in. With locks it would have been totally locked out from non discord group (not really, but for average player). I did not grief anything else. If it was not meant to be with locks it would have been built differently. Not the first project i see locked out from everyone.
Also it took one life (the wells were there for some reason already, only the triple walls was me).
Did I insult anyone? Like ever? I said Bye Family, and to kids spawning to me "sorry kids we are locked out"
#11 Re: Main Forum » Farming and crops rotation » 2018-04-29 03:29:00
When Civilization found that if they rotate the crops they could yield more food, so the idea was if you plant same seeds over and over you deplete specific nutrients from the soil, having small harvests.
What about a system that dirt doesn't just disappear after a crop being harvested, it just diminishes the quantity it yields. For carrots could be 5-3-1 and disappear, you can rejuvenate it using manure, but still decreasing 5-4-3-2-1.
You could rotate for wheat and disappear after being harvested.This way would be difficult enough, but permitting sustainability to develop towns
Right now soil is infinite at the end of tech tree so that is not too useful.
#12 Re: Main Forum » Coordinates - possible to hide them? » 2018-04-28 16:37:09
jasonrohrer wrote:Some sophisticated tool COULD do map analysis to find absolute coordinates, though.
Some basic knollage of coding with open source it is very easy to do anything. Aimbots, ESP, and coords.
'sophisticated' coding is needed to crack, blizzard and valve anti cheats. Being honest in saying if you did mask the coords I would write a code that would give me absolute. Just saying. Not trying to push any buttons. I like finding "My Town" and working on it if it is possible.
As stated in my previous post your spawns have changed and there is a small chance of running back to your town unless it happened to be on an eve spawn and you are lucky enough to get that exact spawn again.
Well with "basic coding" knowledge I could find bell tower and then put it as 0.0 and then the previous spawn as x.y, and do it all the time with spawns, but I would need a "distinguishable and find-able target," and only map the area as far as I go, relative to the distinguishable area. Every time I spawn i still would not be able myself to code a way to know what is this area relative to the "distinguishable area".
But I am sure someone without any monetary incentive would be able to code it, and share it... Most likely you.
#13 Re: Main Forum » Coordinates - possible to hide them? » 2018-04-28 16:31:23
Well, it's true that this is not intended. You're supposed to be lost in the wilderness.
While I would never "encrypt" the coordinates or do any kind of week security around them....
It is perhaps true that the client doesn't NEED their own coordinates.
There's something interesting here..... every client could see 0,0 as the spot where they were born, and all other coordinates in the messages that they receive could be relative to this.
The client is actually kinda doing this already itself, because the graphics card uses 32-bit floats for positions, and therefore starts having position rounding errors when the coordinates get up into the millions. So, when you spawn in the world, if you spawn at a location very far from 0,0, the client locally translates all coordinates relative to your spawn location to keep the graphics card happy.
So... why not do this translation step on the server?
The problem is that many of the server side messages are formatted and compressed once and then sent to everyone who needs them. The messages are not customized per client that receives them.
So a substantial server rewrite would be needed. But it would be possible for sure!
If I implemented that, you'd receive your birth position as 0,0, and all maps and other messages would be relative to that instead of absolute.
The only "hack" remaining would be one that allows you to easily find your way back to where you were born (or other such navigation without setting a home marker).
Some sophisticated tool COULD do map analysis to find absolute coordinates, though.
I am extremely glad that you see this as an issue, and already have an idea in mind to overcome it.
As someone who always uses coordinates, other "hack" I see to the one you mentioned is building something close to bell tower (within 1000 distance), and then have relative coordinates from that. But that takes way too much time to do (walking to the bell tower/ another well distinguishable area), also need to find the bell tower itself (which right now is too easy with coordinates). Maybe others have any other ideas how this could be abused, but it seems that the solution would work for most of the population using the coordinates.
All I hope that you will have time in the foreseeable future to work on it, now the new population of players almost never meet more experienced players in a friendly way (you are active on discord and can see how everyone blames everything on new players, rather than trying to improve their way of play to suit new players, which denying coordinates might achieve).
#14 Re: Main Forum » Coordinates - possible to hide them? » 2018-04-28 16:17:24
breezeknight wrote:getting the coordinates is cheating, cheating destroys every game, it's not modding
if a feature gives you an advantage over other players in a MP then it's cheatingJason should ban this & similar stuff from official servers
players who want to use that can use private servers#1 I think it is funny you think you speak for Jason.
#2 It is an open source game. (It's not cheating when anyone can read the source files)
#3 It doesn't give any advantage of anything. You can try to run to an area you have been before (big fucking deal).
#4 You are a baby child crying over no one wanting to stay with you in the game. Get over it.
Here is why:
1-3 (Mentioned)
Reason number 4, it would make people like kubassa less likely to meet in game.
#15 Main Forum » Coordinates - possible to hide them? » 2018-04-28 15:12:39
- Balzabukas
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I am posting here knowing that it will be extremely unpopular with a lot of people and newer people might not go to Reddit at all (link to upvote/downvote: Reddit page )
My suggestion (if that is even possible) not allow 3rd party tools to get coordinates out of the client files, and here is why:
1. It gets a lot of people to suicide, or run off to their city when the coordinates are close.
2. It also gets a lot of more experienced players rarely playing in newer towns.
3. It encourages "my town my rules" type of game play, which is not intended (you leave legacy, make legacy somewhere else, or spawn back to a place).
What this would achieve:
1. Huge decrease in "personal towns" - where anyone doing something not liked by the "owner(s)" is killed, called noob, etc..
2. More of the intended game play - finding a town should be a blessing thing.
3. More experienced players actually building together with new players.
Now, because we are still able to get the coordinates, I will assume that it is either impossible to hide them, or another reason Jason leaves them there, which is beyond my comprehension (yes, a lot of people would rant about it, but does not seem like the real reason)
I agree that spawning mechanics helps to do most of the things above already, but most of the time, it is still easy to get back to the location you want.
#16 Re: Main Forum » Suicide Babies » 2018-04-10 04:00:41
How to distinguish between suicide and child being abandoned? Lets say you can (such as closing clients, etc.), I would definitely start griefing rather than suiciding, because it is my choice not to live in a particular village, to show that this is not a solution I like (apocalypses showed that player base is able to show limitations of some updates).
#17 Re: Main Forum » Suicide Babies » 2018-04-10 03:43:58
You normally close the client... Not suicide as if run away for extra 15secs...
#18 Re: Main Forum » Suicide Babies » 2018-04-10 03:35:17
Well, I do suicide often and the reasons are the ones you mentioned, but something extra:
1. First time I scout the village, and it is in a totally unreasonable position. Example: like you say everyone is clothed, very likely water is 20 sec away - not necessary, but as an example, thus I just give up and suicide age 7-ish, and often respawn at the same village, then it is straight away suicide.
2. Yes, it is possible to still build a city as you predicted, but you need at least two people (best 3-4), but the city will be lost when everyone logs out (in most cases...). I believe this is the biggest problem right now, because normally it is players, who know the game that does this, and a lot of knowledge is left in that inside-circle villages.
3. You feel like doing something special that time: Hunt, Smith, etc. if it is done, you simply do not want to spawn at the place, where it is unnecessary.
4. Kind of griefing, not sure if anyone does it (I do not, and think it would take too much time to achieve much), but as soon as you die as a baby, the mother's chance is lowered to get another child. Thus you kill off villages slowly but steadily. I am not 100% if this is true, and if that really works (such as increasing eve spawn rate, which is needed to achieve anything related to griefing).
But most importantly:
If it was within 30-60 secs, I would say four suicides are done by one person who keeps getting spawn at your place (not necessary only your place) - it is easy to open x clients and close it as soon as you spawn at the wrong location, if you do exaggerate the time span, and it is more like a minute, it is simply one person, and it is not a mania of suicides, but simply same person doing it.
But given that I do it mostly due to reason 1, my best guess others do the same, thus did the village you are mentioning right now was able to function properly for another 30-45 mins after the suicides (Water did not run out, soil was still enough, etc... No famine in other words)?
And no the update did not break anything - before you would raise the kid, and he would go the village he likes most afterward, you would simply not see the suicides - with coordinates you were able to reach anything within 10min, most of the time within 5 min (given my guess that suicides were done by the same person, you would not even notice it pre-update).
But overall I might be completely wrong, just that is the reasoning I use when I suicide.
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