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I wouldn't be so quick to claim the dev is paying him for damage control. He's been pretty vocal about not liking any of the recent updates since they've added nothing to the core gameplay. Now that we have an update that changes gameplay dramatically, it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that he's enjoying it.

Not saying he's not being paid by the dev. Just saying that his enjoyment of the most recent update seems pretty consistent to me considering his previous complaints.

Right? Sorry kiddo, but if I just lit up the forge and you popped out of me, you're gonna have to wait a bit for that name. It doesn't mean I'm not going to take care of you.

On a side not, stop hand feeding babies who aren't abandoned. At first I though all town were filled with berry griefers, but I'm coming to the realization that there are a lot of well meaning newbies hand feeding babies who are doing just find on their mother's breast milk. If I run from you while you're trying to shove a berry in my mouth, it means I'm not hungry.

It was also put in place so that people could reconnect after disconnection issues, so I wouldn't call it broken. Jason thought long and hard about this issue before he put in slash die. We had this same discussion about a player's right to suicide and the griefing that would come about if that right was removed before and Jason chimed in with all of his points on the subject, eventually deciding on keeping characters in game even if the player leaves, and allowing them to suicide within rather strict limits with the slash die feature. As many have pointed out, these limitations are a little too limiting, causing players to search out better options.

But it's important to remember that the way players want to play the game isn't always coherent with a game that actually functions, let alone functions in the way the dev intended. Jason wanted to make it harder to suicide because he never wanted babies to be able to suicide in the first place, but he knows he can't stop them, and runners and force quitters were wrecking everyone else's experience by putting their moms on cooldown. He came up with a solution that allowed players to suicide, removed the birth cooldown, lineage banned them from that family (because in most cases they were trying to find a specific type of location and this would speed up the process), and wasn't ridiculously easy.

He believed that it was simply the culture of older players that was causing the suicides, and he didn't want the newer steam players to develop these habits by making it too easy for them.

Except they aren't the same. Runner babies take a while to suicide on their mother in most cases. They can't just force quit a second after being born, then do the same thing rapidly to a whole bunch of mothers throughout the game until they find the place they are trying to go. Not only does this frustrate the mothers, what happens when most of the mothers in game are on cooldown because more than one person is trying to use this feature at the same time? They put all the moms on cooldown and can't spawn into the family they are trying to spawn into because some other mod user put the family they wanted on cooldown. On the other hand, the runner takes longer to suicide, meaning mothers have time to reset their cooldowns before the runner baby makes its way to them.

The mod feature works, in theory, so long as only a few people are using it. But the more people use it simultaneously, the more lineages they wreck collectively, and the longer it will take them to find the family they are looking for. They might as well have used slash die if they were given the option (aka, mom picked them up in the first year of their life,) otherwise, the more people use this feature, the more they step on each other's toes in the process. It's a feature that gives the players what they want, without properly considering the game design and functionality of things in the long run.

On top of those issues, when it's too easy for someone to suicide, they are more likely to do it. I know, a whole bunch of people are going to chime in here and say that that's not the case for them, but remember that you are not all the people who use this mod. When more people have access to a feature like this, even if they were not among the group of people who asked for it, they are going to use it. It's available and makes things a little too easy. However, when they know it's going to be a few minutes, between running off to die and potentially spawning into another situation they don't like, more people are more likely to take the time to really consider if they want to be where they are currently, instead of dropping dead on the mom who left camp for a second to grab a few branches for the forge, simply because they didn't take the time to let that mom show them the camp that's only a few screens away.

This isn't just a dev issue. When the player base wants a feature that the dev is against adding in an open source game, it then becomes up to the mod creators to decide if the feature is actually a good idea. I do agree that Jason should have another look at slash die and make the conditions a little easier to trigger, but this mod feature, as it currently is, also needs to be reworked to at the very least reset birth cooldowns if possible (and as someone who only has the most basic knowledge of programing, I can't tell you if that's possible,) otherwise we'll be right back where we started before slash die was a thing.

I also apologize for my long posts. I like writing a little too much, oops!

No, because this does not kill your character. If you % out of the game and come back in to try and spawn somewhere else, you will just pop back into the afk body you left behind, assuming someone has been feeding you.

Yes, it's a group you, but I did intend to you include you personally in it since you are defending the feature (whether you claim to be or not) and are pointing out all of the issues you seem to have personally with slash die. I agree, slash die is not perfect, which is why it should be up to Jason to fix it instead of having someone else undo one of his updates with a mod, to bring back an age old problem that was already fixed. This mod feature is a step backwards, not a solution.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. Half of my babies who force quit are doing so in my arms. Not half of my babies total. I still get at least one runner and one slash die a life, sometimes more. Maybe it just seems higher for me since I'm putting the effort in to increase my fertility, so I'm birthing a lot of the same person who's force quitting on me?

You're making a lot of assumptions about how and why people are using this feature. Half of my babies force quit in my arms almost immediately after they are born. These babies could have easily used slash die and given me the option of having another baby right away, but they choose to use the easier force quit option that their mod offers them, wrecking the cooldowns of multiple mothers in multiple lineages in rapid succession just to get wherever they are trying to go. I don't mind if they're trying to come back as a girl, but they almost never do, because they just put their mom on cooldown.

On top of that, there are lots of people who have lots of different reasons to suicide. If I'm naked in the desert gathering cactus fruit because I want to increase my fertility, and a baby is born to me, they might think I'm a naked scavenger who has nothing going for her. If they'd take the time to let me carry them back home, which usually only takes a few seconds, they might see what the town has to offer and want to stay, because that might have been the kind of town they were looking for. I'm naked because it's hot in the desert. I don't have a backpack because I'm farming and gave it to someone who actually needs one for their job. But in that split second I look like a bad player and lose a baby and potential other babies because someone force quit on me while I was grabbing a snack. This quick die option allows babies to decide on a whim that this isn't the mother for them, without knowing much about her situation or skill level. And they do it rapidly to multiple mothers, which is a problem.

Babies will always have the option to kill themselves, and I have no problem with that. But they shouldn't ruin the playthroughs of other people in the process, which is what this mod feature is doing.

And yes, this is an issue with the mod, because the mod undid an actual update that removed this feature and implemented slash die for a very valid reason. There has been a noticeable difference in the number of surviving children (at least in my game) since this feature was added, so I'm pretty confident in pointing fingers at it. If you have a problem with a game feature, bring it to Jason and let him decide that it's something that fits his vision of the game. Don't ask a modder to undo his updates.

I'm not saying the mod has to go. I'm saying that this particular feature needs some adjusting because right now it's being abused in a bad way.

I was Marcoantonio Trinca yesterday!

Died of old age and passed the tail end of the job I was doing to my niece, Lola. Then I came back for my next life in the other line as Serenity Trinca IV where I was able to be there as my niece from the previous life finished off the project I'd given her. We had to deal with a griefer first, then she started to tell me how an old man tasked her with... and I went, "That was me!"

After Lola died, she came back as my grandson, suicided to be a girl and came back again as my daughter. I named her Lola. I saw quite a few young people in that town trying to tell others that they were there before. Those are the benefits of a two lineage town!

Babies get the last name of whatever adult names them, allowing for adoption like situations where a baby is abandoned (or in some cases kidnapped) and cared for by someone who isn't their mother. They end up with a new last name, in this case the name of the other lineage in town, and pass that name on to their own kids.

I'm going to go against others and agree with you about talking to people before you give them a knife. Ideally though, if you have a knife you will be watching the town well enough to know who you can trust to give it to when needed. If I have a knife in game and I'm not actively using it for any jobs, I always check the big knife needing jobs to make sure they have one and pass it on right away if they don't, preferably with my apron as well if they don't have one of those either.

But yeah, don't hoard knives. Pass them around if you have more than one and other people have clothing they can store it in. If more people have knives, they are more likely to stab the griefer next time they show up.

Also, if you preemptively kill griefers (I stabbed a guy last night who was completely failing to stab others, but clearly trying to) be prepared to die. Others aren't watching like you are and for some reason would rather stab you in a second rather than talk it out. Just don't be rude to them, and don't tell anyone you are a griefer. It may prevent the other person from getting stabbed, but increases your chance of being sent to Donkey Town (I guess if there's only a few people in town there isn't much risk, but I'd rather be safe than sorry and keep my total curse score low if possible.)

The big one you're missing with your med station: Know how to use it, and keep it clear. I had to play doctor last night because of griefing and as soon as someone got shot or stabbed suddenly the med station was swarming with people, making it hard to click the right person and put things down when needed. And when the griefer showed up to dirty all of the pads, there's were people standing all around so stabbing him without accidentally stabbing someone else was going to be tricky. It kind of defeated the purpose of me guarding the station in the first place, once again solidifying the idea that doctors are completely useless in the game.

Hide some pads in a bowl behind a wall if you have an active griefer. Show trustworthy people where they are.

So for those who don't know meds. Stab wound: use a sterile pad on the wound then stitch it up with a needle and thread. Nice and easy. Arrow wounds: Pull the arrow out with your empty hands, use your knife on a fire to sterilize it then click on the wounded person to open them up. Then somehow put your knife away without stabbing the twenty people also trying to help your patient, and click on them again with bare hands to pull the arrow head out. Clean and stitch it up as normal, then get shot by a noob for "stabbing" someone.

I just browsed through the family tree again to see what's going on in there (I was in the Ginger family and birthed many daughters, so there's a lot to look at.) The black girls seem to be able to be born from all other females in the game, and they can give birth to brown, white, and ginger kids, but not the black boy. It looks like they are coded as white, as in the brown haired and blonde girls, which means going in either direction for skin colour would allow them ginger and brown babies, but not black.

So the poor little black boy is still all alone in his own category it seems.

As for waiting to fix it, if I'm not mistaken the game chooses skin colour before gender, right? If so, that explains why we were having so many girls in my gen. With the addition of the new girls, that particular skin colour is now highly female leaning, making for more daughters. I certainly wasn't complaining at the time, but it does make things a little unbalanced.

Many thanks, fellow berry peasant!

Thanks all! I'm definitely with you that crowns are pretty much useless. Though I'm going to go against the grain and say they aren't one hundred percent useless. A good king/queen is able to observe everything that's going on in town and tell people what needs doing the most. Ideally they will also do a bit of labour here and there. Unfortunately this almost never happens, rendering crowns nothing more than role-play toys.

Artur looked like he was at least trying to fill this role, though how well he was doing is up for debate. It's one of the harder jobs to do right, and almost always ends with mass stabbings.

Aw, I was really hoping that wasn't going to be outdated information, but it did seem like an oversight so it makes sense. Would have made Eve runs a lot easier though.