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I’m not tired yet, towns have iron, food, clothing, a lot of resources.
The sad thing someone chopped 95% of juniper trees, but the map seems ok.Jason wanted to reset once the natural resources run out, but there are a lot of natural resources to use. Water, trees, oil, iron.
This is only for a short amount of time, You were just lucky you logged in when someone made an iron drop.
I don’t think it’s stealing if the owner is literally dead and the equipment is abandoned in the middle of a mountain.
I think it’s better to use and then take it back home, I know people might steals at inside your town but it’s better than let it alone in the middle of the wild.Anyone who sees this engine for sure will take it near their home before somebody else does.
In real life when someone go mining, they don’t let their tools and go home to die of old age, they bring their stuff back. I think it’s better to do this in game as well, no way no one will touch it, someone literally chopped 95% or juniper trees, they want to grief to reset the server, so I suppose they don’t want iron as well.
Well it can still be stolen once put back in town. I also have done this. Comparing this game to real life is a farce since things can get grieved so easily. Diesals can be stolen easily, and its actually a horrible idea to be put in town, It wont last thirty seconds without someone napping it and hiding it back in the wilderness.
I don’t think it’s stealing if the owner is literally dead and the equipment is abandoned in the middle of a mountain.
I think it’s better to use and then take it back home, I know people might steals at inside your town but it’s better than let it alone in the middle of the wild.Anyone who sees this engine for sure will take it near their home before somebody else does.
In real life when someone go mining, they don’t let their tools and go home to die of old age, they bring their stuff back. I think it’s better to do this in game as well, no way no one will touch it, someone literally chopped 95% or juniper trees, they want to grief to reset the server, so I suppose they don’t want iron as well.
I spawn back and try to find it. Its gone, not in towns, but locked away blocked by Newcomen's. Its not a realistic feature and trust me, 99% of the time it gets grieved and not taken back to town. Its stupid that they can be removed.
sigmen4020 wrote:Wow the diesel mining pick can be removed after being put on a collapsed mine? Why would you ever want to remove a Diesel engine from a collapsed mine. I see no point. It would be the same as if you could remove the engine from a dry diesel pump. Why is it possible to ever be able to remove a Diesel engine from the collapsed if it isn’t for some stupid “interesting dynamic”, where some griefer runs off with another players hard work. What a joke. Why Jason released it like this in the place is beyond me. It’s so obvious that only griefers would use this.
I thought the Diesel mining pick was good before, but now that I see it can be removed it’s not much more than an actually useful car. Everyone could have predicted this would happen. Why Jason?!?
I’m glad I’m not playing much on the main servers right now. What a total mess.
Just like the tarry spots, I suspect iron would be limited after some uses of the engine mining pick as well...
Its not but its finite because its runs on oil
The Diesel engines are getting griefed so hard. This arc, I made six engines, all of which were intended for iron, and all but one is accessible currently. If you want the diesel mining pick to be used more, It should stay in the ground after being placed in the collapsed mine. I count how many times these engines have been stolen minutes after I die. I think the best option that would not only maximize oil but make living in the rift much more enjoyable would be to Make engines permanent mines ones placed into one. Not to mention the fact that they are put in abandoned wells for no one for the sake of grieving.
Need a reset because the engine keeps getting stolen and were out of iron.
my friends? I play this predominantly by myself. I'm not on the new discord for trolls. I am my own troll with my own morals. I'm here to fight. If I have a team, great. If not, then it's a free for all for me.
I play this game for fun.
I have fun wiping out villages. Especially when the village deserves it.
Stealing iron from another village is justified if benefitting your own, Raiding towns if they stole your iron is justified. Killing people for the fun of it is just griefing. You have no justification but "exposing the defenses of a town". That's not a reason you're just trying to find a reason out of nothing. You're a greifer as simple as that who wants to kill cause you enjoy that. You are by definition a griefer.
For anyone not knowing what the hell is going on, basically these are the community of grievers who just got exposed who block up towns with Newcomen's, steal iron, and go on mass slaughtering sprees.
The truth is hard isn't it?
piping hot tea
lmao
There needs to be two people saying war for war you racist. Peace is prob one of the best features in the game.
This update has served a boom to grievers. Ill list a couple of things that are so easy to do and grief.
1.) Build engine towers in front of gates that can not be removed therefore blocking any way in or out.
2.) Stealing Engines with ease Via horse hide them behind a bear tree, then proceed to build stone walls around it that will not be breakable after a while.
3.) Build stone walls around city gates and they will not be able to break after awhile
4.)No trade has been going on with the engines, instead grievers are easily able to take a engine with a horse and run off with it.
5.) Pistons and smith hammers are spammed because they can not be recycled and they deplete iron supplies supper quick.
Solutions:
7.) Once an engine is put in a mine it should be permanent and act like a well engine so it doesn't get stolen when you disappear for five seconds.
8.) Engines should not be containable in order to give more players to react with the griever
9.) Should be able to break engine towers(not newcomen)
10.) Pistons should be able to be scrapped.
11.) Ancient stone walls should definitely be able to be broken since a pickaxe breaks after one hit anyways.Its costly to break walls as it is.
Holy shit, this became a clown fiesta.
Lava, i got no clue on what they did in the last... 4? days. Im not responsible for that and im sure they can defend their own dignity. When i played with them, we mined our own iron, grew our own milkweed farm, made our own oil pumpjack etc. And everyone left their towns by the age of 3-4 and got to the location by the time they were 10 at most. Cant see even the need of stealing stuff. It was indeed just a private town. And when you have a private town with working people, a lot of resources accumulate throughout lives.
Fulmen, thanks for defending me bruh.
Slinky... you and i have a problem here.
DiscardedSlinky wrote:defending the people doing it isn't right.
Yeah, but accusing people of stuff they didnt do isnt right either.
If you gotta point me out on greifing, at least state what i did correctly.
Your defending people you have not played in the last four days? Interesting.
UO history lesson is neat.
FulmenTheFinn is right, discord is full of immature smear campaign and harassment shit.
main grief countermeasures:
all milkweed/rope to be turned into chests or snares, before they end up as property gates, that just waste everyone's time.
all arrows that you find to be removed from the game indefinitely, with a simple dumb ingame glitch. game is more fun with less arrows.
all wool to be turned into snake boots for agility.
bring bearskin to map center and build roads for a community project. it mostly assists eve players.
Olji your just salty that you got kicked out of discord for saying the n-word get ur ass out of here.
Lava wrote:yet you defend these people because they were "mature"?
Which people might those be? Last I checked I was only speaking on behalf of Dark and myself.
Dark is defending his whole group and your defending dark which associates you with the others. Im saying Dark is or has been associating with griefers and is trying to defend their Shrill of dignity
I dont care if they make theyre own discord and grief but they're using the game's discord to grief and the moderator's arent doing crap. Make your own discord but this is disgusting that we are allowing people in the community to use the GAMES discord to greif.
Pop fucking corn.
The OHOL Discord is a kindergarden dominated by socially awkward and mic shy teenagers together with a moderator who arbitrarily abuses her powers at a whim without any repercussions from the server owner, and then bans people who complain about it.
I'm not a part of this aforementioned "griefer group", if it even exists, but I have no trouble believing DarkDrak's post in that the accusations about him griefing are entirely fabricated (most probably based on pure guesses coupled with a mob mentality that is dominant among the most active people on that server). I have two reasons for this:
First, I've played with DarkDrak before and I know him to be a good and mature player.
Second, there have been continuing accusations for months now, mostly by the same two people, that I too am some kind of griefer, when in fact I have never griefed. These sorts of baseless accusations seem quite common on that server.
I was actually tempted to make a forum post cataloging this months-long smear campaign by the aforementioned two individuals, but it's not worth the time and actually now I feel kind of sorry for them after I learned that at least one of them is just a 16 year old girl, who in her own words has been diagnosed with autism. I guess that explains something.
It is not baseless accusations me and yikes were there we witnessed everything they did, we have screenshots and it wasn't just one person. Like I said I joined their VC and heard everything, the same amount of griefers where the same amount in their VC which kept fluctuating. Now look, I don't believe your a griefer and a lot of people play with these guys who are not griefers but just because you are charismatic doesn't mean your not griefing the game. Just because he's mature, Doesn't mean he can't or his friends cant grief. One of his buddies admitted to griefing yet you defend these people because they were "mature"?
What a shame that all this amounts to is tit-for-tat name calling and drama.
As with so many times in the past, I cite a design flaw that is the core aspect of what contributes to this kind of griefing, but people steamroll past it to insult people, only to miss the forest for the trees.
Part of the answer to this kind of problem would be persistent IDs and stripping away the anonymity that comes with each new life.
Simply raging at the guilty individuals does not look at the real problem: OHOL's very design empowers this kind of community destroying behavior!
Take away people's ability to start anew and grief a fresh new batch of people with every new life and the broader community can start to remember certain players who always grief, focus on addressing serial bad apples, and might even have a fighting chance to deal with organized griefing when they encounter it.
But, no... these core design flaws will persist because 1) Jason thinks griefing makes for a rich and interesting dynamic and people blame each other for the griefing and don't look at how the game is supercharging it, 2) the game's community seems to turn away from cooperate play and more and more in favor of griefing as non-griefing players quit in frustration, and 3) the few remaining victims would rather sling mud at the bad apples than dig deeper into how the game's flawed design helps to create this kind of toxic exchange.
It seems people are more interested in focusing on the symptoms of the problem and not the disease that causes these symptoms.
Feel free to keep raging at individual bad actors all you want, but until the underlying causes of the problem are addressed, you're merely tilting at windmills.
Don't even know why I bothered with my previous post. It features a GDC talk where a legendary game designer overtly explains why total anonymity is a huge problem, but people would rather get personal, so it's just a futile exercise.
Edit: Made my post before I saw Slinky's remark about half of it possibly being Jason's fault, so my points don't apply to him/her.
The problem with your system is that griefers such as their group hold a large population, if they find out who messed with them, all they have to do is simply curse one of us and we get sent to donkey town. Remember they are more than seven people.
Lava wrote:1.) Steals Engine when obviously knowing their intention for iron mine
2) Traps an entire town (Vea) waiting for them to starve
3.) Steals the majority of horses in the rift'
4.) Kills all Sheep in (Love) town
5.) Lures three bears into (Love) town while simultaneously taking all the arrows and iron from the town.Guess what they were using? OHOL Discord General VC. In any other community, these fools would be ousted but in this game, we somehow accept them into our community with open arms and act like nothing happened.
1) that was just some random dude that mentioned in voice that he hid their engines
2) slinky gave only one kid perms to town so I’d say y’all were asking for that, and one gate ridiculous. It was completely coincidental, no one set out to do it.
3)those horses come from ppl coming to attack us and are found in wilderness, in fact on way back one time I found 2 horse carts and 4 wild horses in random desert.
4) not us, literally takes one guy to do that
5) not us, literally takes one guy to do that.If we listing names I got a couple:
Slinky- stole some guys plane, which is why he steals engines; killed off a town after having buddy ask for perms for gate
Yikes- accompliceGet proof before y’all go off accusing, most stuff listed was literally one guy.
Countermeasures:
1) watch engine, put in fence area, locked room
2) 2 gates, give multiple ppl permission
3) fence up horses,blearn how to tame wild ones
4) check on sheep occasionally
5)kill bears in area every 8 hoursIf you still mad read my username
The trapping of the town was not coincidental. It was by Eve Green and when there was three of you in the VC there were three people outside enforcing the walls. I saw the eve with a bunch of other people as your VC chat grew larger, and a bunch of people from different families all were bringing in oil and iron to your hideout, so don't act slick bitch. Thats stealing not a private "town".
I do have proof I joined your fucking VC and heard you spitting shit. The problem is you guys have such a big group no one can do anything about you fucks. Chomp admitted to griefing the town and yikes last night don't try to act slick ya shit. Their so many of you and not enough people calling off your bullshit. We visited your little "base" as well yall are just a bunch of thiefs.
Just because your charismatic doesn't give you the right to ruin everyone's gaming experience. These guys were obviously fucking with the game and I don't care how 'friendly" they were to you. If you're ruining the game these guys should be kicked or at least not in the game's discord. Like, come on!! Dark, They were doing more than just creating a "private" town. They were stealing others horses, other iron, other oil all fro the sake of fucking with the towns. Yes, we all know you're a griefer and yet your allowed space to talk about it in the game's discord.
1.) Steals Engine when obviously knowing their intention for iron mine
2) Traps an entire town (Vea) waiting for them to starve
3.) Steals the majority of horses in the rift'
4.) Kills all Sheep in (Love) town
5.) Lures three bears into (Love) town while simultaneously taking all the arrows and iron from the town.
Guess what they were using? OHOL Discord General VC. In any other community, these fools would be ousted but in this game, we somehow accept them into our community with open arms and act like nothing happened.
Lava wrote:jasonrohrer wrote:Actually, I just tested it myself.
I was able to /DIE through six families (or areas) before becoming Eve. That's okay, right? You have to get born in other places for 1.5 hours before getting born back in the same location again. The distance away is 100. Maybe that's a bit too big? That means there are 49 "bins" across the map to get born into, which I think is plenty.
So I don't think fams are dying out due to area ban.
The map may need to be a bit larger, which I may do before I skip town...
So your telling me you /die six times and were not born to an eve? I think you were, and this is the problem I am discussing in this topic that eve and their kids are destroying families across the server
"I am discussing in this topic that eve and their kids are destroying families across the server"
What do you mean by destroying? how do they do that?
Eves don't have a town they spawn on. They just wander about and players are being used up as their children rather than being put in towns. This kills the people in towns since there are not many children and once an eve moves into a town this same cycle will repeat. Eves give birth more often and divert the population of players away from cities and into wandering. This is why there is no long family tree because of the eves and their children are cutting player population.
Actually, I just tested it myself.
I was able to /DIE through six families (or areas) before becoming Eve. That's okay, right? You have to get born in other places for 1.5 hours before getting born back in the same location again. The distance away is 100. Maybe that's a bit too big? That means there are 49 "bins" across the map to get born into, which I think is plenty.
So I don't think fams are dying out due to area ban.
The map may need to be a bit larger, which I may do before I skip town...
So your telling me you /die six times and were not born to an eve? I think you were, and this is the problem I am discussing in this topic that eve and their kids are destroying families across the server
The ban for 1.5 hours almost guarantees you are an eve. If your not an eve, you are her child which is just as bad. These eves and their children have a higher birth rate than city folk and will ultimately kill the families of who integrated with the city. The area ban isn't the problem, its the sheer amount of primitive players who spawn in as a child of eve or an eve themselves which cuts on the population of towns. Either make becoming an eve extremely hard or turn the Eve Window back on which should prove better since the implementation of the Map change and the Iron diesel.