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what he said about it was a joke he had with friends at a bar
I'm gonna quote what Jason Rorher said here:
Reality is about the balance between chaos and order. Maintaining order is something to strive for, and gives life meaning.
Without the threat of at least some chaos, there's nothing to strive for, and nothing to fight against, and nothing to organize around.
A griefer represents a little shard of chaos. A griefer is something that everyone can agree on. Its something they can band together against. They can fight the good fight. Without that shard of chaos, they wouldn't need to band together in quite the same way.
As you can see he might have 'joked' that griefer is an important role but in the end it seems it is an important role in the end.
You know what you did, multiple mods shared the same viewpoint as myself and you earned your ban.
You can whine to the forums, you can whine to Jason, but until Jason gives you a thumbs up you're banned for your behavior.
Yeah I had my own opinion that was different from the established clique.
I received a lot of insults from the mod team & the clique.
No one ever got a warning over that. Mods didn't try to stop the bullying dynamic, they supported it.
Mods were searching for every reason in their book rule they could use to banish me. Since actually first minutes of me being on the server because it was claimed I'm someone's alt.
And one of the reasons they found is when I posted the zip file with 3 ini config files for changing default game server to custom one. Nobody ever downloaded it of the mods to pass it on virustotal and tell it's not okay - nope, they deleted it and claimed "behold, it is POTENTIALLY MALICOUS, she is now sharing potentially malicious files! How horrible, a good reason to ban her!". I was being helpful, you're welcome. The mods don't need to download it and pass it over to virus total, I'm sure they know what they do here, they know what game they play on the Discord server and they knew it's most likely an okay file. The best course of action to use the situation to ban me is to delete it and to claim it's potentially malicious because any file could be potentially malicious.
And then when they deleted the file and someone claimed the zip file was huge insinuating 3 ini files cannot be that big, I posted the screenshot of the file with it's size to show that it was actually quite small, and I got banned for posting the screenshot.
Which only support everything I just said above: you were searching for any reason to ban me while playing out the typical scapegoating tribal mechanic.
OP is banned for repeating being asked not to use slurs in general.
That's false, I did not use slurs in general.
Baiting arguments since they joined the discord 5 days ago
That's what I'm talking about. Having an opposite to the established clique opinion they call baiting arguments all while showering me with slurs.
Uploading random files then being asked not to
Upload a zip with 3 ini OHOL setting files for switching server when a user was asking for how to do it.
(followed by posting a picture to bait another TO)
They were claiming I posted a file that weighted a lot and 3 ini files cannot weight that and I posted a screenshot that showed how much did it really weight.
Being disruptive to the community
That's having different opinion.
And overall not being a friendly or welcoming person.
Not being friendly and welcoming person is about a lot of mods and active users that began insulting me over having the opinion that aligns with what Jason Rorher said on the forums. Insults included insinuating I had sexual intercourse with Jason and that's in first minutes of me being on the said Discord server.
Overall mod team and established clique behavior is typical scapegoating behavior and the pinnacle of by the book scapegoating is that occurrence with me sending the said config files. "It is a potential virus, ban for once, finally!" screamed the public. They wanted my blood and every my move, my word was interpreted in a way that would finally allow the mods to banish me.
>If you come into a close-knit group and make no effort to understand what counts as "acceptable" behavior within that group,
If you've read what I wrote above you would see that the mods were insulting me in the first minutes of my arrival in the server because they thought I'm someone's alt because I was expressing the same opinion that the many people they drove out of the server. There is no acceptable behavior in that situation. Keeping my thoughts on the game hush hush is betraying myself and isn't acceptable to me. Next time please read the thread before posting a reply.
>, you continue to intentionally act outside the social norms ... it should not be a surprise that you attract the attention of the mods.
I mean I'm not surprised I got banned by mean tribalistic people. I saw it coming from, say, my first 10 minutes on the Discord because I was showered with insults over supporting Jason's view on the game design.
If trying to fit in when expressing dissent opinion and oh trying not to get banned because dissent opinion is dangerous your way of doing it, I understand, but I wouldn't recommend others try to fit in into tribalistic groups anywhere. Humans must be above that.
The behavior I witnessed is typical bullying-scapegoating behavior that an established clique practices in many online communities. It is especially vile in communities with real time participation.
I wonder which mod said that? Lol
To find out who said what I need to be back to the discord server and use the search feature. I'm bad at remembering nicknames.
In the first minutes of my presence in Discord mods said I am "s////ng Jason's d//k dry" so yeah if mod team doesn't change I'm better off that place.
Considering how lenient the mods are around here, it makes me wonder how you manage to function in any other online community.
If a tribe doesn't accept me speaking the truth, not lying and being honest the same thing happens. People are tribal creatures and bullying as well as scapegoating are what we as tribal creatures do all the time including online communities and if the established clique's bubble is disturbed then it's bad. In some communities I am already in a formed bubble and that doesn't happen but when I agree with how things already are I am usually read only because everything that needs to be said is already said by someone else. In OHOL discord everyone who was actively voicing similar opinion to mine according to what I heard was exiled and thus people considered I must be someone's alt and then mustn't be treated as a new member but as someone they already hate.
You said it makes you wonder and I think maybe someone else could wonder about that and since this thread is about how I did get banned here you go.
Lol I wonder which mod was bullying you? Unfortunately that behavior has always been a part of the discord. I dont think its going to change any time soon. There is a great deal of anger in this community. Try not to have it rub off on you. Personally i dont think mods should have a bias towards different peoples playstyles. The issue arises when grief style players instigate arguments, use excessive profanity, or say hurtful things. Which was very common, maybe it still is. Same can be said about the opposing side but there is a bit of a double standard with that. And that double standard does come with a level of reason. Constructive playstyles will always garner more sympathy and respect than destructive ones. Its just how people work.
That said if you were not intentionally flaming or using excessive profanity, I suggest you email jason. If he agrees with your viewpoints you might see the change you're looking for.
jasonrohrer@fastmail.fm
Most of the mods actually supported calling me names and did so themselves because I suppose they were very certain I'm someone's alt they already drove out of the community and so I deserve that kind of treatment.
My playstyle actually is peaceful but I am of the opinion that griefers do add necessary tension to the game. The same opinion that Jason Rorher voiced multiple times. And I believe curses system does lead in the end eventually, to people cursing others over minor offenses.
The user "Cranky" stalked my OHOL account and concluded that I never griefied so someone did confirm I'm not a griefer, I just have strong views on game design that changed in OHOL over time.
Thanks for the suggestion and caring enough to give that helpful advice, I will consider emailing Jason over it.
But to be honest I'm waiting to get a refund and if at least new content is added I might purchase it again. Because without a common goal: a war, to protect resources, to protect against griefers, to survive (in towns you don't need to survive), to maybe tend after "the tree of life" that if not cared for leads to server reset. Without any goal that gives meaning to playing the game for me it is utterly boring.
Role-players are the saving grace sometimes but half the player base are no-fun potato-robots that act like NPC which I can get in any single player game.
It wasn't that you support griefing. It was you CONSTANTLY starting arguments. Your constant stream of negativity towards the player base plagued the discord for the few short days you were there. You love to fight and it's unfriendly and unwelcoming behavior. Goodbye, I hope you do not return.
Yeah that's what I'm talking about. Because I have different opinion on most of things as to what the most active clique has it is me starting arguments and them just having an opinion while if I have an opinion it is arguments starting and we cannot have a discussion that questions their view on the game. I cannot have an opinion because my opinion is too diffirent from theirs and thus they justify the outright bullying behavior.
Yes, it was unwelcoming of the active Discord clique supported by mods to slander me over supporting Jason's idea of griefing being a necessary part of the game, the guessing game who's alt I am started immediately after I joined the server as well as the game of "call her a mean word" or "call others to block her because she's just arguing".
The most active Discord people of OHOL with the mods have used to hearing no dissent opinion so much that everyone who had the same opinion that I do has been banned or left the Discord server, that's the reason why they were guessing who's alt I am and every person who they thought I am an alt of was driven out of the OHOL Discord server.
I mean it makes sense. These forums have always been pretty quiet in terms of discussion. But if you look at the index page youll see that there are often a lot of guest online. People who are not signed in but are checking out the forums. These forums have a suprising amount of activity considering the state of the game and the minimal discourse happening here. Most of the charged discussions in these forums surround changes to the game, for which we havent had any in a long time. The discussions typically revolve around two *cough cough* or more people debating opposing viewpoints while others lightly chime in. Spam, shit posts, and meme threads usually dont get much traction. I think fugs request is fair, especially if the spam was pushing active discussions away. Like someone did a few months ago by necrospamming and pushing active threads off of page 1. A behavior that did the opposite of keeping these forums alive.
I just saw the useful post of the banned user and got surprised they are banned, looked up their post history and found out they were acting silly but it's not like they were trashing the forum completely, maybe a temporary ban would be more reasonable.
You're not allowed to have an opinion that griefing is a necessary part of the game and griefers add necessary drama and tension and meaning to the game. Most active clique starts hating on you.
Yes, those dang mods are just mean.
Yeah they're awful. A bunch of them publicly called me names and overall provoked others to join bullying me over my opinion that differs from theirs that's a behavior a moderator should get stripped of any power. Official reasoning for bullying was that I seem to be someone's alt account and they got a list of users who I could be the alt of. Reminds me of the tribe kill mechanic now OHOL has.
Freaking finally
Yeah that's one of the meanies clique that sees OHOL as just another minecraft. He craved me being banned.
If you think you've been unjustly banned i suggest you email Jason. Posting on here wont do much to help your situation. Discord bans are typically short, especially if its your first offense. That said, you can never be banned from the street.
Thank you but I honestly hope to get a refund. I emailed with the refund request and I'm waiting to get my purchase refunded. Jason doesn't follow the Realtime Manifesto from Tale of Tales as much as he should and it ruined the game. Maybe he forgot about it eventually.
You can play creatively any time I permit it.
So I see mods have banned this user over being silly. Which leads only to forums being more dead than they are.
Yep. That's the thread.
People would stalk players info and make profiles on them.
That still goes. I saw that on Discord and I saw two people admit to doing that.
And one person was sharing the info they collected on players and their lifes.
Jason predicted curse system would escalate. It did.
If it really bothers you that much, you can always get yourself cursed and go join them in donkey town, if you are lucky, you may spawn as one of their babies and be promptly left for dead, true anarchy.
There is no babies in donkey town and not enough players to play with anyone on donkey town.
Everyone is an Eve in donkey town and speech is scrambled. That was designed for when there was a lot of players so it would work as a temporary ban but it escalated as Jason predicted and as I see it led to players abandoning the game.
It amuses me greatly that you are trying to argue that "not enough griefing" is the reason this game is losing players.
That is certainly one possible explanation, I guess. I can think of a few others.
It's not the sole reason of course. People would still stay for updates if he would be updating the game but in the absence of updates when it's no more a game of 2b2t / Rust survival (but with a family dynamic) certainly drove a portion of players out naturally
1. "the point is that griefers add necessary tension and drama to the game." Jason Rorher
2. "So you really want to play for the rest of your days without a single incident of theft, mischief, or murder? I don't think you actually want that. Search your heart." Jason Rorher
3. And with less and less drama, everyone has curse tokens to spare, which means that people are more likely to spend them over the slightest infraction. Thus, a vicious cycle". Jason Rorher.
This is what happened. He stopped updating the game so people have no hope anything will change so they accept the current state as permanent. In current state people cursed each other that much that it led to I believe a portion of players stop playing and as Jason predicted back then it's now easy to get cursed. And so naturally people who are left basically are playing on their private server mostly with the same people likey the are. They created a bubble of people who only enjoy grind.
If you bot any game completely it then plays itself. There is no game to play left.
Online player count speaks for itself. 20 people was online minutes ago. They're stuck in Donkey Town in means of they've left the game after being stuck in Donkey Town. It was 2b2t style anarchy game, now it is harvest moon online.
Boring players who are there just to grind curse everyone who disturbs their bubble. It explains where is all the playerbase. They're cursed.
Who's left? Boring farts.
Votekill? Look at Minecraft 2b2t. Why is it popular? The same reason why OHOL was popular. It was anarchy.
Now it's just another boring grind game with voteban for 'pesky griefers' and even griefing now is boring - you can't kill anyone without asking a permission of a group first. At best it is a simulator of manipulating your tribe to kill someone for fun.
Raiding and pillaging sounds fun if there is enough of players and civilization is getting so developed players have nothing else to do and are bored and so it would add meaning to end game and replayability, but it needs more players and especially more players that know well how to rebuild the civilization, meaning the knowledge of full tech tree.
Speaking of fun - no, this is not your harvest moon or animal crossing and if you find fun in playing your part it's good, it's part of OHOL. Yet OHOL isn't about that. OHOL is about stories. Always was about stories from the start, that's why Jason used to publish user stories and that's why OHOL game reviews are full of stories.
OHOL is about our society. It's about that we could kill each other any time but we agree not to.
It's about culture, it's about religion.
OHOL is a living art object that Jason Made.
You can read more about what I mean in the article he posted the link on his "Arthouse games" magazine.
Realtime Art Manifest that Jason seems to follow and it is important to read it to understand what game you are playing.
To make it sure you read it I'm gonna post some spoilers from the article:
"Ignore the critics and the fanboys."
"Leave interpretation open where appropriate"
"but keep the user focused and immersed the worlds that you create."
"Make art for people,
not for documentation.
Make art to experience
and not to read about.
Use the language of your medium to communicate all there is to know.
The user should never be required to read a description or a manual."
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